The Troubles

Ooops pram not pray !

No one is saying otherwise. But that doesn’t mean that the soldiers who were there supposedly representing Britain to keep the peace and who deliberately undermined that mission with their actions shouldn’t face justice. I don’t see how you can justify that?

Currently, you are assuming they are guilty .

You assume they did anything to deliberately undermine their mission. You make assumptions ABOUT their mission .

And you know what they say about assuming anything ?

NanaandGrampySo i's OKfor men to abuse young girls as long as they are in uniform.

Nana you do realise that I’m not randomly making all this up, right? That I’m getting it from respected news sources?

Not sure of this documentary is available anywhere now

Harrowing viewing. Desperately sad.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/07/requiem-to-the-troubles-bbc-to-air-film-documenting-northern-irelands-dead-lost-lives

No Trisher I didn’t say it was but I did say there is always 2 sides of a story .

As far as I’m concerned Amber I have yet to find a news source , respected or otherwise that doesn’t sensationalise the news they are reporting , you only have to look at the last year to see that .

I lived some of those years in Northern Ireland . I can only say what I saw and experienced . I may not be a respected news source but I was there.

It isn't assuming anyone is guilty to think that if they have been accused of a crime they should be properly tried in a court of law.

I think that 50 years is too long. These events haven't just come to light they have been known about for all these years. Surely there has to come a time when the best that could happen is that we learn from history?

Daisymae

I think that 50 years is too long. These events haven't just come to light they have been known about for all these years. Surely there has to come a time when the best that could happen is that we learn from history?

I agree the delays in the system don’t help but I still feel uncomfortable imposing time limits without thinking through what that really means. And we don’t learn from history do we? Some examples from Iraq prove that.

We could have a Statute of Limitations as other countries do. But it would apply to other crimes as well. So would you want to see a sex offender escape prosecuting because of the time that has elapsed?

I don't understand why anyone can agree that it was OK for terrorists to be pardoned but still want to hound men who risked their lives, serving their country. If one side is pardoned, then so should the other.

trisher

We could have a Statute of Limitations as other countries do. But it would apply to other crimes as well. So would you want to see a sex offender escape prosecuting because of the time that has elapsed?

The basic issue with a statute of limitations is differential treatment of individuals for the same offence. Say for example that after 10 years you can’t be charged. Person A is arrested and charged after 9 years 11 months. Two months later, Person B who committed a similar offence at the same time, can’t be charged . Nope, not fair, not justice

Sunseeker has a point. The GFA wasn't well thought through. I didn't say yes to it. I knew there would be problems later.
And as someone pointed out, in NI there are always two sides to everything.
Integrated education is a must. Good luck with that!

AmberSpyglass

Nana I’m pretty sure a lot of the people in NI - not just the ones who experienced war crimes at the hands of British Troops - would speak from their actual experience.

The army should never have been there at all.

Well I have lived here all my life and I'm glad the army was here.
Katie59 sympathy to your brother. I still have nightmares.

Iam64

AmberSpyglass, the paramilitaries murdered, knee capped, behaved like the gangsters many of the still are. The army went in to attempt to save lives. Lives were lost on all sides.
Katie59, you know your brothers experience wasn’t isolated. Terrifying for everyone, including those young soldiers. It’s lazy and simplistic to absolve terrorists of responsibility for murder/torture/criminal behaviour and to refuse to allow men in their 70’s some peace.

Yes.

Amber Spyglass What nonsense to say those soldiers were there to protect the union.

Initially those troops were sent in to help restore order and were welcomed by the Catholic population. I have Irish friends from both sides whose families left to escape the violence and they don’t hold the romanticised view of the Irish ‘freedom fighters’ that those who didn’t live through it hold.

The Nolan show is discussing the non prosecution decision. Might be interesting. I stress might.