What I think will happen tomorrow

I'm not "the Labour Party" GrannyGravy13 and I have "listened" to people on here and they say nothing other than "listen to the people"; it's the latest chant. So we do but all "the people" are tripping out is mindless nonsense about what everyone else - not "the Labour Party" - are doing that those who will never vote Labour anyway don't like.

I keep saying it but there is nothing more in these points than there is on the inside of a balloon. It's an attempt to ... I have no idea, claim buddies, think they are clever, show what good little cult members they are ... who knows.

Just like the article, you offered it is all a culture war and, it seems, I am not of the Boris for dictator culture, and I hope it will never get to the stage where I am forced to be.

PippaZ. how do you think the Labour Party can connect to the electorate without going out and having a dialogue?

I think its going to rain all day! Again!??⛈☔

21000 fewer people turned out to vote in 2021 than in 2017. In 2017 Labour won with 21,969 votes. The Conservative vote was split between conservative and Brexit. In 2021 the Conservative won with 15,529. It's not difficult to work out that some of the missing voters would have been socialists who couldn't see a party they could vote for.

I think that’s a perfectly valid and reasonable opinion to hold. A good example of how to criticise a politician without resorting to cheap jibes.

Something you would never do eh Suzie? Really? I mean really? ?

It’s close up in Scotland.

And tighter than I thought it would be between Sadiq Khan and Shaun Bailey!

Urmstongran

It’s close up in Scotland.

You think so?

tickingbird

*I think that’s a perfectly valid and reasonable opinion to hold. A good example of how to criticise a politician without resorting to cheap jibes.*

Something you would never do eh Suzie? Really? I mean really? ?

Well join the club ???Actually you may be a founder member

GrannyGravy13

*PippaZ*. how do you think the Labour Party can connect to the electorate without going out and having a dialogue?

I think the whole of the left in politics has is challenged by the fact that it is split. If you want to vote right of centre and you aren't a "Bozo the clown" groupie then you are in ... difficulties. Or you would think you are but then said Bozo has promised that he is all things to all men (and particularly women) so you vote for the only party available. No thinking involve folks [hurray].

I don't think the question is can the LP connect the small proportion of the electorate that can and do vote after all we don't even know what you mean by "connect" with the public; it's yet another Demonic style phrase - I just hope it isn't the same as Bozo would have us think. I bet none of those chiming it out knows what they mean by it either. More hot air.

PippaZ so you have no ideas of your own then?

Just repeating the same again and again but not saying anything.

Often not GrannyGravy. That's why I am not a party member and why I join in on a forum where there are members of parties who might be able to enlighten me - if they can get past the vicious personal comments about those who are part of the LP. I have yet to find many on the right with minds of their own let alone the ideas - they are like people who change their support of football teams - from winner to winner just so they can shout "we won" and a stream of abuse. And we all know what everyone thinks of those football supporters.

Urmstogran. I am somewhat puzzled - I like to keep an open mind on things but cannot get my head around the fact that anyone would think it is NOT a good idea to deport murderers and rapists!! The alternative is to keep them here until release when they can give a repeat performance. Unwise, surely.

PippaZ

Often not GrannyGravy. That's why I am not a party member and why I join in on a forum where there are members of parties who might be able to enlighten me - if they can get past the vicious personal comments about those who are part of the LP. I have yet to find many on the right with minds of their own let alone the ideas - they are like people who change their support of football teams - from winner to winner just so they can shout "we won" and a stream of abuse. And we all know what everyone thinks of those football supporters.

I do not belong to any political party either.

I am not a devoted Boris Johnson fan.

My cross on the ballot paper this time was for two different parties.

I wish that there was a centrist party. (cannot see one emerging any time soon)

I would like to see an opposition party with some fight in it one that could hold the Government to account and question its actions. I am aware that due to Covid this has been difficult, however unless Labour collect their thoughts and aims they will be in the political wilderness for the foreseeable future. Which is why I suggested that they need to rally the grassroots of the party to get out into communities and actually find out what people want and the reasons why they are deserting the Labour Party.

As I see it Boris Johnson got elected on getting Brexit done and many of the electorate see that he kept his promise whether the deal be good or bad. Along came Covid and then the vaccine programme, they see doors and opportunities opening up again regardless of No.11’s curtains and the old boys network.

Hilarious isn’t it GG13 reading a post like the above??

Well said btw.?

The Conservatives have done better in the local elections in England than even they expected.Hartlepool is the feather in their cap.

lemongrove

The Conservatives have done better in the local elections in England than even they expected.Hartlepool is the feather in their cap.

It was all very predictable - apart from Shaun Bailey.

But if it was so predictable, where were all the real Labour voters? Did they not vote?

If they did Molly it was for the Conservatives.?

Mollygo

But if it was so predictable, where were all the real Labour voters? Did they not vote?

That was factored into my ( and others) predictions non voters always are.

Labour now have a big problem on their hands ( they had before this, but it just got bigger,)

Mollygo

But if it was so predictable, where were all the real Labour voters? Did they not vote?

Some of them voted Green and some perhaps Lib Dem. Both parties have made gains in councils Others probably didn't vote. The low turn out in Hartlepool means a lot of people didn't-over 41000 in 2017 down to almost 30000 in 2021

lemongrove

Labour now have a big problem on their hands ( they had before this, but it just got bigger,)

Thank you for that insight.

Alegrias1

Urmstongran

It’s close up in Scotland.

You think so?

I didn't think so either, but I'm obviously clueless as the BBC commentary is still going on about it being on a knife edge.