What I think will happen tomorrow

urms speak for yourself. I’m working class and I don’t think it’s daft at all. I celebrate that we can support and recognise other people’s struggles.

You can only do that if you get elected though polarbear. If you cant get elected it will make no difference to anyones life.

Turnout in Hartlepool was 42% compared with 57% in GE. Labours share of vote down by about 10 percentage points

It's worth looking at the history of voting in Hartlepool elections. The influence of Brexit is clear. In 2019 they had almost 25% of the vote, those people were unlikely to turn to Labour. Especially with Keir Starmer as leader.

Sorry that should be the Brexit party had 25% ofthe vote.

Polarbear2

urms speak for yourself. I’m working class and I don’t think it’s daft at all. I celebrate that we can support and recognise other people’s struggles.

Maybe as a one-off gesture. The prolonged ‘bending of the knee’ just started to grate with a lot of people. Even the football matches so understandably the fans started to boo after the first couple of matches as if to say ‘get up off your knees, we’ve paid good money to watch a football match!’.

Each to their own. We will have to agree to disagree on this subject.

However after Labour’s humiliating defeat in Hartlepool some voters agree with me it seems.

It’s now a battle for Labour’s soul. I think the hard left of Momentum Labour will split and form their own party. The Union bosses are furious with Keir Starmer now. They say he hasn’t delivered.

tickingbird

Oh dear. If only all these silly Tory voters would come on here and listen to the highly educated, oh so knowledgeable Labour loving gransnetters who know so much better than everyone else.

Reading comments by a certain section of GN illustrates the total lack of insight into the reason large swathes of the country have turned away from the LP. Maybe less woke and more wake up is necessary!

Well said tickingbird...??????????????????

Labour lost Hartlepool

52.5% of people voted for Labour in Hartlepool in 2017 and 37.7% people voted for Labour in 2019, a figure which has now collapsed to 28.7%.

This is the lowest vote share for a Labour candidate since 1943
This is a 16% swing from 2019 to the Tories
The Tory vote is up 23% since 2019

Some people will blame Corbyn for this result

I would be astounded if momentum left, many will and have drifted away but I dont think they will form their own party.

Grany Corbyn achieved the biggest loss in a general election since 1935

I predict a low turnout of anti-Boris posters on this thread today.

That 23% will be some of the Brexit party voters Grany I did ask how could Labour have attracted those voters. They would inevitably move to the Conservatives.
Corbyn also achieved the biggest vote for Labour since 2001
I wonder why people are still discussing him and not Starmer?

Urmstongran

I predict a low turnout of anti-Boris posters on this thread today.

Well, wait until the Scottish results are in...

That is a fire gone conclusion Alegrias! I said yesterday the SNP will romp it. Hmm.

Re Labour defeats:

Mandelson says it was the two c’s , covid and corbyn

I think it was more like the two b’, brexit and Boris

Urmstongran -we agree about something!

trisher ??
Who’d have thunk it?

Labour vote in Hartlepool.

2010 - 16,267 (Brown)
2015 - 14,076 (Miliband)
2017 - 21,969 (Corbyn)
2019 - 16,257 (Corbyn)
2021 - 8,589 (Starmer)

This by-election result is not about a Tory vote buoyed by Brexit Party voters. Starmer hasn't held on to the voters we had in 2019.

There’s losing an election and then there’s this. Labour not even getting close to the Tories in Hartlepool. This cannot and should not be ignored by those in charge.

Starmer Great political strategy to visit the Hartlepool by-election three times and take Mandelson with you.

How do you think that looks like working out?

Unusually, I think the preposterous McDonnell is right.

Labour have gone from talking nonsense under Corbyn to saying nothing under Starmer. Which is an improvement, but they do need to start actively being in favour of something now.

Urmstongran,

Very well said ??

Thank you! ?

Postal votes? Ha! Ha! I know several people that applied for a postal vote and never got it and were unable to get in contact with the local council for the past 2 weeks to see why their voting papers hadn't arrived!
So if the turn out is low, we all know why!

Think SNP will do well with all the bribery given to young folk eg £20 a week for each child under 16 if on benefits; 1040 hours free childcare care; free bus passes up to 24 years; free bicycles for children. As for older age groups - nothing!

Urmstongran

That is a fire gone conclusion Alegrias! I said yesterday the SNP will romp it. Hmm.

Re Labour defeats:

Mandelson says it was the two c’s , covid and corbyn

I think it was more like the two b’, brexit and Boris

Sorry Urmstongran the first person on this thread to say the SNP will do well was suzie. As she said herself, not a difficult prediction to make.

The interesting thing is how the Tory vote will go.

Oh dear, some very divisive, and possible untruths on here. I voted yesterday, hopefully for the betterment of my area, which the current incumbents have tried to do, you cannot spend money you haven’t got, you have to take care of the vulnerable. Crime needs to be reduced, hence why Khan in London needs a stopper on his wasteful ness,and lost after spending 250,000 on a statue toppling commission, more police would have been of benefit to Londoners, more helping those youngsters in the grip of criminals. To me Labour do nothing but criticise, do not offer valid alternatives, are just not offering a valid opposition. Our previous Labour council wanted to rip up a well working traffic system, in hock to developers, costing millions in new traffic lights well they lost, the new council kept it with extra safety additions, working well. Local councils, and London are there to work for the local communities, not put their own spin on what is politically correct, or wasting money.

I didn’t say I was the first.
No matter.
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