Queens speech

Fixed term was a farce

Seems we actually agree on something then MaizieD.

Is this a 1st?

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Jaxjacky

Just because no one has been prosecuted for fraudulent voting may just mean they haven’t been caught, yet.

??????oh dear oh dear.

I agree Jax. The police don’t even turn up for burglaries these days apparently. Just issue a crime number for the insurance company.

MaizieD

Mamardoit

MayBee70

So what happens about postal votes and ID?

They check your signature don't they? Well they could if they suspected any wrong doing.

But anyone could forge your signature...

No-one is answering my question

*Why do we need voter ID when there is no evidence of in-person voter fraud?*

They would have to intercept my application for a postal ballot (signed in the little box by me) and the actual ballot paper also signed by me. Normally I would vote in person. I think that turning up at the polling station is important.

I have thought for many years that you should have to at least show your polling card before you get to vote. Photo ID is just one stage better IMO.....I am entitled to that by the way.

MaizieD

Urmstongran

I’m glad about repealing the fixed term Parliament Act. It forced us to unduly suffer the zombie Parliament.

It became a mechanism to thwart the democratic will of 17.4 million people.

Sorry?

GE 2015,
GE 2017
GE2019

What on earth are you talking about. Fixed term was a farce.

As for all that utter nonsense about thwarting the democratic will of 17.4 million people. We are not yet ruled by 'the will of the people'. It is for Parliament to make the ultimate decisions.

But then, you seem to have fascist tendencies so no doubt you're perfectly happy with the trashing of Parliamentary democracy.

We’ve had more elections over the past few years in a short space of time than I can ever remember.

And it seems to give the government a clean slate so they can just argue that all the problems were due to the previous government. Or Nick Clegg.....

Urmstongran

That’s for them to work out MayBee. Don’t tie yourself in knots over it in the meantime. Chill your beans.

How patronising.....

As the consensus on GN is that the poor and uneducated are now voting Conservative, one would have thought voter ID would be applauded?

Not at all. Let’s just wait and let the ones who are paid to sort this out crack on. Negativity gets us nowhere at this stage.

Or Nick Clegg.....

If the cap fits ??

Neither does ignoring what this government is doing. People in other countries fight for democracy and we’re just watching it slip away.

Spain have ID cards. France too I believe.
Actually I think nowadays (because the world isn’t what it was 50y ago) they are a good thing.

MayBee70

And it seems to give the government a clean slate so they can just argue that all the problems were due to the previous government. Or Nick Clegg.....

All governments do that don't they. Nick Clegg has a lot to answer for. Without Nick Clegg, David Cameron would not have been PM. Remember Cameron ultimately used that power to allow the 2016 referendum. He of course skipped off humming a merry little tune.

Nick Clegg is also responsible for my sons being £50K+ and £60K in debt to the student loan company. A fantastic way to start out in life!

Sorry if my posts have offended .

Nick Clegg is also responsible for my sons being £50K+ and £60K in debt to the student loan company. A fantastic way to start out in life!

And us WASPI women will never forgive Cleggie either, accelerating the pension reform to aid austerity.

So confused....

When we offer up an example of something that they do in Europe that your average Tory voter doesn't like, we get told that we don't have anything to learn from Europe. They can do what they like, we're British, don'cha know?

When European countries are doing something that your average Tory voter thinks is a splendid idea, then we should be more like those chaps over the channel.

And I'm not sure Clegg had anything to do with Cameron being PM.....that was the Tory voters too....

Oh, my head hurts

And I'm not sure Clegg had anything to do with Cameron being PM.....that was the Tory voters too....

But there weren't enough tory votes to make DC prime minister. Until is mate Nick added the lib dem seats.

Lots of people voted LibDem in a desperate attempt to keep the tories out. Don't you remember the Nick and Dave Show!

To say that NC had nothing to do with it is laughable.

Oh, ok I see what you mean. It was you telling that I was being laughable that really swung it for me.

We are a contrary lot Alegrias. You’re right.

That said, I wish our government would look at best practice whether it’s from from Europe, Australia, Canada or wherever and tailor their findings to best suit our needs.

For example I don’t think the NHS is ‘the best in the world’. Yes it’s fantastic that it’s readily available (not free, we’ve all paid in) at the time of need. But a radical overhaul is long overdue. How best to go about it? Surely it’s good to see how other countries deliver health care to their citizens?

Alegrias1

Oh, ok I see what you mean. It was you telling that I was being laughable that really swung it for me.

Sorry that was probably rude of me. I try to be polite, but often fail.

I'm not the only one is the only defense I can offer.

Can't see any problem with voter ID or any other type of ID for that matter.

This guy puts it well (and makes a couple of points that I've already made )

Ultimately:

In a democracy, it is for the voters to decide who governs; it is not for the government to decides who votes. This legislation must be resisted

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/voter-fraud-elections-queens-speech-photo-identification

GrannyGravy13

As the consensus on GN is that the poor and uneducated are now voting Conservative, one would have thought voter ID would be applauded?

WHY DO WE NEED VOTER ID?

This is not just a question for you, GG13, it's for everyone who thinks it's a good idea, or, not a bad idea.

Sorry, still can't see why anyone would be opposed to voter ID. We have a voter number anyway in the UK and are usually asked for it at the Polling Station.

Good article MaizieD I hope those saying they don't understand the problem with voter id read it.

They would have to intercept my application for a postal ballot (signed in the little box by me) and the actual ballot paper also signed by me.

But, Marmardoit, what if someone collected them from people who didn't intend to vote and asked for /obtained their signatures, then set about some quiet forgery? Or coerced people into voting the way they told them to?
Or someone quietly extracted some of the returned votes that were for the 'wrong side'? It appears that some counts aren't as scrupulously conducted as they should be. I seem to recall the BBC politics correspondent in 2019 announcing loads of votes for tories before she should have been able to...

Not being the incredibly suspicious type (no, I really, truly, in general, am not,) I actually think that even postal voting fraud is probably negligible. But I think it's likely to be easier...