Queens speech

Gajahgran

Is Boris Johnson and habitual liar? No he most certainly is not. Is that simple enough Kali2?

Eh? Doesn't seem very simple to me.

Am I in some kind of parallel universe?

Sir Max Hastings, wrote in 2019-

"I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent. I have argued for a decade that, while he is a brilliant entertainer who made a popular maître d’ for London as its mayor, he is unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.

Tory MPs have launched this country upon an experiment in celebrity government, matching that taking place in Ukraine and the US, and it is unlikely to be derailed by the latest headlines. The Washington Post columnist George Will observes that Donald Trump does what his political base wants “by breaking all the china”. We can’t predict what a Johnson government will do, because its prospective leader has not got around to thinking about this. But his premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability."

Was the leaflet full of lies as the leave leaflet was?

Chestnut

MaizieD

Further to my post at 9.37, I'll remind people that the Electoral Commission did find 'Vote Leave' guilty of breaking electoral law and they were fined £20,000. A derisory amount, but sadly the maximum they are permitted to fine.

I would say the remain campaign did something which should have been illegal by sending out millions of very detailed 'vote remain' leaflets to every household in the country paid for by the taxpayer. Much worse than anything the leave campaign did in my opinion. I certainly feel angry at having paid out to support the remain campaign without my consent.

But not in the eye of the law and justice Chestnut. I do realise that many leave voters think themselves above the law - or want to be able to make it up - but that is what it says.

MayBee70

Was the leaflet full of lies as the leave leaflet was?

Only time will tell. There was a list of all the wonderful benefits of staying in the EU and some dire warnings about the dreadful consequences of leaving. It actually stated that staying in the EU was the best thing to do, so it was definitely not balanced at all. I would not have minded it it had been.
Would remainers have been happy to pay (without choice) for everyone in the country to have a pro leave leaflet promoting the benefits of leaving and the awful consequences of remaining?

Gajahgran

Is Boris Johnson and habitual liar? No he most certainly is not. Is that simple enough Kali2?

Well you are entitled to your opinion. But I am afraid it just does not tally with the facts. Opinions often do! I am sure someone will provide a list that will show exactly this.

Would remainers have been happy to pay (without choice) for everyone in the country to have a pro leave leaflet promoting the benefits of leaving and the awful consequences of remaining?

It would have been an awfully slight pamphlet

I reiterate. The pamphlet put out by the government was supposed to be a pros & cons thing for people to make their own minds up. Like we had in 1973 when we voted on remaining in the EEC.

As usual, being a tory government they got it completely wrong, though the cons. have turned out to be remarkably prescient, apart from the fact that they didn't happen overnight.

Returning to ID Cards. I expect someone has already posted this but it does show the man we are dealing with.

youtu.be/M38ID9WRSsk?t=4

Thanks, I was looking for this! He said it again in 2016.

Just popped back.
Oh god we’re back on the Brexit re-run.

“Beam me up Scottie”.

He used to be a remainer too. Clearly a man of firm views.

Well, it is clearly not 'done' and all the project fears have turned to project reality- so it is not surprising, is it?

If the PM wants to give a speech to parliament he should do it himself.

Time to scrap the #QueensSpeech

Nothing says democracy like an unelected queen announcing the government's plan for voter suppression.

The Government's 'Electoral Integrity' bill announced in the Queen's Speech has nothing to do with electoral integrity.

At its heart is a costly and unnecessary requirement for voters to present photo ID at polling stations - a voter suppression tactic imported from America. The bill also includes plans to make all elections in England use the unfair First Past The Post system.

In short, this Bill has little to do with safeguarding our elections, and everything to do with changing the rules to help the Conservative Party.

Unlock Democracy is leading the fight against the bill - if you support us, please sign our petition below.

secure.unlockdemocracy.org.uk/page/82336/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=email&ea.url.id=5303080

NI has photo ID.

Year on year the numbers voting are decreasing.

I detest posts like this. Just another complaining one. The Queen's Speech I'd just a guideline. It cannot cover everything in minute detail. So, stop complaining and wait.

Can’t see the problem with ID cards. You need ID for almost everything these days. There is so much fraud and so many scams around, that what someone describes as a basic human right, also needs some verification- And even that will be imperfect. Imperfect people in an imperfect world - c’est la vie -

Sorry have not had time to read all the posts but I undersand that the IDs will be free? I don't see why they shouldn't be linked to the Electoral Register and/or the ".gov" sites who already hold photos for driving licences, passports and bus passes. Our last local authority took a photo for our bus passes in their offices, so no cost, though Covid has meant we have had to send an electronic copy to our new local authority.
I have no objection to being asked to have an ID document, they're very useful. I really don't understand the objections to IDs unless you don't want to be identified for some criminal reason, it's common in much of the democratic world.

Why do people so object to IDs? A passport is an ID, as is a driving licence, as is a credit card, as is a store card, and I would imagine most people have at least one of these.

You have to take id when you register with a GP, access a pub to be served alcohol, etc, etc. Somehow, young, poor and disadvantaged people manage that. Personally, I'm all for ID cards for everybody issued when you are issued with your NI number.
I don't doubt that there is voter fraud on a larger scale than has been discovered but I don't suppose that it is on a wide enough scale to make a substantial difference.

MaizieD

^Would remainers have been happy to pay (without choice) for everyone in the country to have a pro leave leaflet promoting the benefits of leaving and the awful consequences of remaining?^

It would have been an awfully slight pamphlet

I reiterate. The pamphlet put out by the government was supposed to be a pros & cons thing for people to make their own minds up. Like we had in 1973 when we voted on remaining in the EEC.

As usual, being a tory government they got it completely wrong, though the cons. have turned out to be remarkably prescient, apart from the fact that they didn't happen overnight.

But Ted Heath lied to us

Please don’t hold Wales up as a paragon of democracy, Varian. We were saddled with a hugely expensive duplicate chamber on the basis of a small majority in a minority turnout, and are now governed by a ridiculous number of paid layers of governing; parish and county councillors, members of Senedd and MPs not to mention police commissioners , all taking a slice of funding before it gets used for any services. Areas served by members outside the sitting party have been disadvantaged ever since the Senedd was established , with no option of a further referendum to get rid of it in the pipeline unlike Scotland, who need to take note of our dire situation while they still can. And now people from abroad are allowed to vote, how can this be allowed? I can’t just go abroad and go vote for their government (not that I would want to). I also have reservations about the very young voters, they do not earn to pay for services they are able to vote to influence, and are potentially unduly influenced by their parents and teachers before they have any real life experience. Though I know they get politics classes in School these days. Perhaps you should have to earn the right to vote

I wa# so9 shocked to see the election results! Vot8ng the c9nservatives deeper and deeper in.
Why?
Get them out. The chinless w9nder haven’t ever d9 e anyth8ng f9r th3 ord8nary man,

Do you think that there is anything the Queen would refuse to say on her own behalf? and isn't it about time the House of Lords was ungendered? Perhaps it could be called the House of Privilege. or the House of the Uncommon. I'm glad she has announced the sentient animal act...perhaps she will stop encouraging the younger members to hunt and shoot for fun.

So good old Boris and his cronies have gone full Trump. The government is a disgrace to a true democracy.