I do wonder- is this what the Brexiters wanted?

Weirder, and weirder.

Urmstongran

How do i spend my time Dinahmo?

Good heavens, there’s wine to be drunk, people to see, meals to be eaten, books to be read, walks or swims to be had, places of interest to visit. Like most people’s lives really. Just very little housework and no gardening!
#lazygran

Thank you.

I think my last post will get me reported. By someone.
And a lifetime ban will be slapped upon me.

It’s happened before to. A. N. Other.

3, 2, 1 ...

You must just think we’re as green as we’re cabbage looking.
You’ve been rumbled.
Days ago.

MaizieD

^Peasblossom - Kali2 is not only a (? Swiss) Europhile she is champion of Remainers disappointed by the Referendum result of 2016.^

I missed the bit where Kali2 said she was Swiss. Would you like to point me to it?

Quite incredible. Yes, where, please?

And don’t forget ‘the isotopes’ MerylStreep.
Armageddon was approaching.

I missed the bit where Kali2 said she was Swiss. Would you like to point me to it?

And British too I believe.
Dual nationality.
Like many of my family. Very sensible.

This thread has become Platitude Paradise.

Peasblossom - Kali2 is not only a (? Swiss) Europhile she is champion of Remainers disappointed by the Referendum result of 2016.

I missed the bit where Kali2 said she was Swiss. Would you like to point me to it?

Kali2
^My problem? I have never talked about anything being
‘my problem’^
You had plenty to say in 2016. The ferries/ planes will stop working therefore making it difficult for you to visit your children/grandchildren in the uk.
It’s all there in print.

A few years ago I heard Polly Toynbee talk about some research she'd done that showed that the more "comfortably off" people were, the more they thought they were ordinary and everyone was like them.

Oh to be as comfortably off as Polly Toynbee!!

Peasblossom - Kali2 is not only a (? Swiss) Europhile she is champion of Remainers disappointed by the Referendum result of 2016.

We had a referendum and Leave won.
We then had a GE in the UK and Leave won again (Get Brexit Done).

Yes it’s sad for those affected and disenfranchised by the result. But if the EU membership was so wonderful Leave wouldn’t have won (twice) so decisively would it?

In life - nothing stays the same.
We know this.

I don't think it is Kalis problem in particular.
I think people have empathy where people endure real hardship too.

It's just that this is added niggling bureaucracy which, as I posted previously, wasn't apparent pre-EU but which those who have family further afield are used to negotiating.

It's annoying but not insurmountable.

Alegrias1
@15.50 today.
Ive been trying to think of a way of putting this that isn’t rude ....... but I can’t think of one so apologies first
You said it. It’s there for all to see.

Peasblossom

But Kali was complaining about a lack of empathy. Nobody cares about her problems. People are just selfish and only concerned about what they want.

It does work both ways. What you give you shall receive??

My problems? I have never talked about anything being 'my problem'- but about the many others who are currently seeing their dreams dashed and are very hurt by this.

I'm delighted for anybody who's got a lovely apartment in any part of the world to which they can toddle off and have a lovely time.

No, just visiting family. Their spare bedroom.

I'm delighted for those who have family within a short distance too.

It doesn't mean we don't have empathy or give help to those we know are struggling and in need. One doesn't negate the other. Should I sell my house and donate the proceeds to a homeless charity? Thus rendering myself homeless and able to feel more empathy?

❤️ it Calli!

Some folks horizons are further afield than the EU, they are used to paperwork and visas.

We got taken to the front of the immigration queue last time when entering Australia.

"You British?"
"Yes"
" Here you go then, we'll open another gate for you""

I think we just looked old and weary

Hmm. That’s convenient ?

People can use their hard earned money to do whatever they like. I certainly do. And I was always taught to appreciate what I have.

But now that everyone seems to have decided I posted something that I didn't, I'll just toddle off and let you all get on with it.

“As others see us: The striking similarities between Brexit and Scottish independence debates”

The Scottish Herald.

(Apologies posted wrong link earlier).

Alegrias1

I'm delighted for anybody who's got a lovely apartment in any part of the world to which they can toddle off and have a lovely time.

I'm sure they know just how lucky they are compared with the vast majority of people in this country, or any country come to that. At least I hope they do.

Goodness, that’s a very judgemental comment Alegrias , “toddle off” really? Is retirement not meant to be our “lovely tine” ?
Why should a person not choose to use the proceeds from their home to downsize to two smaller properties. . Or indeed retire to a thatch in the Cotswolds, a chalet in the Alps, or a villa in France or Italy?
Is it morally less defensible than living for instance in a highly desirable university town. I am sure anybody living in such surroundings also knows how lucky they are.

Alegrias1 no being sneery on my part, just reminding some on here that many GN members have family living outside of the EU (myself included) who are used to jumping through metaphorical hoops for visits.

www.heraldscotland.com/cars/

Hmmmm....thought so. Too late and too much effort to explain why Scottish Independence is different to Brexit. Too late for lots of things.