Meanwhile, in Scotland....

But you have been given every chance to explain EllanVannin and I did say I hoped I was reading it wrongly. You may be upset but I am feeling pretty upset by this too. I hope I was wrong but you haven't said what the comparison was that you were making.

mcem

This thread clearly illustrates the widening gap between Scotland and RUk.
Disrespecting the faith of others with dawn raids on religious festival.
Bully boy Patel tactics being seen as acceptable.
Petty criticism of parliamentarians exercising rights to be inclusive by welcoming various languages as well as English.
An insidious indication of general deep-rooted racist attitudes.

All of which goes to show why so many Scots want to be free of such vile brexit-inspired attitudes.

Sadly that seems like an excellent summary mcem.

I have been keeping out of this spat about gardens filled with unsightly junk ( a common sight in all big cities), because I think I must have missed some earlier post about the state of gardens in Glasgow, preceding the one by EV about community pride meaning that you clear away your rubbish. That makes her post a non sequitur, and I'm not surprised people were confused.

EV, can you point me to the comment that triggered your post? Then I will understand.

Are you still going on about Brexit? Just shows that 50/50% referenda only lead to bitterness and strife - as illustrated by this thread among so many others.

Well, this is going well.

Anybody want to talk about the improving situation in Moray?

Oh for goodness sakeit's one thing to not understand EV's post in the context of this thread and quite another to imply that she was referring to people as detritus when she was clearly referring to people's house hold waste.

It's look to me PippaZ as if you're being deliberately obtuse.

You've said more than once you're prepared to apologise Whitewavemark so why don't you?

Elegran also can’t understand the post, smileless, ellan really needs to just quickly say what the relevance was, which comment she was referring to originally?

mcem where is this petty criticism you speak of in regards to languages used by MSP’s?
I was interested to know how so many languages were used in the oaths, but noticed that most of them are either Gaelic or Scottish dialects ( Doric and Orcadian) or simply given as ‘Scots’.
Others were Urdu, Welsh, French Canadian and Shona.
Yorkshire dialect can be as hard to follow as another language, but is still a dialect.
This explains somewhat the OP saying that 13 languages were used.
On the dawn raid ( was it dawn?) that’s when you catch people at home which is why it’s used.If the men involved were Muslim, then yes, it’s like apprehending somebody at Christmas ( if they are a Christian) and a bit of a blow to those concerned who were going to enjoy the day, but so what?
We either have immigration laws or we don’t.

Let us hope that the situation in Moray continues to improve - and that other areas don't backslide after they have had a short time with fewer restrictions.

It does seem as though we are turning the corner. If everyone keeps up basic measures to minimise the spread of the virus, we will pull clear of it. However, it seems to be human nature to ease off vigilance when the end is in sight.

Okey doke at least this is about the OP.

There was a post about ethnic minorities standing for parliament but they should use the official language or languages of the country. English is the official language of Scotland. I speak Doric. In the unlikely event that I got elected to Parliament, I'd want to do my oath in Doric as well as English. So, the non-English languages are not those of the "ethnic minorities".

Those men may indeed end up being deported. But I'm glad my countrymen showed up this tawdry little idea of picking people up in vans in the early morning and spiriting them away.

Or we have an element of respect for neighbours?
The men were not Muslim but many Muslim families in the community were disrupted by this.
No violence but a legal (until PP dictates otherwise) protest. United to show loyalty. A concept that seems alien to so many.
'Petty criticisms'
refers to immediate reactions re waste of money when no additional cost was involved.

As I said, the sooner we can be free of Patel, Johnson and their corrupt cohorts, the better.

I shall now once again step back from the unpleasantness which now pervades GN.

It’s not a ‘tawdry little idea’ it’s a sensible and practical idea.
We are not China or Russia and these men are not going to be tortured in a dark cell somewhere.

So, the men were not even Muslim! I did wonder about this since most Indians are either Hindu or Christian.
Which makes all the fuss about religious festivals even more crackers.

No Lemon There is a third way, which is to have reasonable and sensible immigration laws , which ensure that everyone is treated with respect and dignity. Perhaps this applies even more to refugees, who have fled to this country seeking refuge i.e. a place of safety, from the horrors they have left behind.

When I posted before about the reasons this event seemed to be a deliberately provocative action on the part of the Home Office, I had not realised that this took place in the Constituency of the newly re-elected First Minister of Scotland. Another reason to suspect that this was someone's hamfisted idea of showing the Scots that the UK is still in charge.

Elegran

Let us hope that the situation in Moray continues to improve - and that other areas don't backslide after they have had a short time with fewer restrictions.

It does seem as though we are turning the corner. If everyone keeps up basic measures to minimise the spread of the virus, we will pull clear of it. However, it seems to be human nature to ease off vigilance when the end is in sight.

It does look positive in Moray just now, doesn't it? Only 2 cases yesterday.

I think next week could be a free for all, once things move to the next stage. Fingers crossed that people are sensible and everything goes in the right direction.

lemongrove

So, the men were not even Muslim! I did wonder about this since most Indians are either Hindu or Christian.
Which makes all the fuss about religious festivals even more crackers.

Please could you provide a link about most Indians being either Hindu or

Christian? There is a large Christian community of Portuguese origin in the South, Kerala/Goa region- but this is a very small proportion of Indians.

Please could you provide a link about most Indians being either Hindu or Christian?

She seems to have forgotten about the Sikhs, too...

Well said granny 23. I'd like to add that it doesn't matter what the mens' religion is. The point is that this is a very integrated community where not only Muslim families would be involved in Eid celebrations. Supportive neighbours didn't like what they were seeing and made their legitimate protest accordingly.
Perhaps the concept of non-partisan support is alien to you.
This time it really is 'over and out' pro tem.

If I hadn't been waiting for my PC to sort out its problems and restart very slowly I would have asked a bit earlier Lemongrove, on hearing that a neighbour was being arrested or evicted on Christmas morning, would have said "Oh, he's not even Christian so the day doesn't matter" and gone on with opening presents and eating chocolates.

I might have added that the famous Good Samaritan who looked after the traveller (set upon, robbed and injured by thieves and his fate ignored by his compatriots), was in fact of a different tribe and religion from the Israelite he helped, and the Israelites would have regarded Samaritans as worthless trash.

That was the point of the parable Jesus told when someone asked him "We must love our neighbour, but who IS our neighbour?" He ended by asking, "Who was a neighbour to the robbed man?"

Nice post elegran

I think if I knew that two men who were living near me, had uncertain immigration status and a home office van had turned up, then I wouldn’t interfere ( and am betting my boots nobody on here would either.)It had nothing to with religion, and everything with the laws of our land. We don’t live in a country where anything terrible would befall them, so all the angst about their future on here seems to me to be of a rather posturing nature.
The men were not ‘set upon robbed and injured by thieves’ Elegran think you are seeing things in the situation that aren’t there.

and am betting my boots nobody on here would either.

Well you're wrong about that.

We don’t live in a country where anything terrible would befall them

One word. Windrush.

And your grasp of analogy seems sadly lacking.

Kali I’m from a Northern city with a large Asian population and I had / have Indian friends who are either Hindu or are Christians....or no faith at all come to that.

For all the faux outrage and rhetoric on here, yes, I would bet my boots Aleg actually.
What happened to the Windrush generation ( or a few of them I should say) was not the same as this case at all, so let’s not blur the facts.

Anybody who shows the slightest concern for other people is accused of faux outrage. Its getting so predictable now. It doesn't make you look clever, I think it says more about you Lemongrove, that you think we are just posturing rather than standing up for people in society that we think are being treated unfairly.

Best get yourself a new pair of boots. You've lost that bet.