Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

Posted too soon.

There are many thousands from which to choose; it's a case of finding one which she feels is compatible with her beliefs.
The C of E allows marriages of divorced people in church.

Forgiveness is not ours to grant, but God's.
Matt. 6:14 “For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Matt. 6:15 “But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

Your Father being a Catholic, doesn't make you an expert Kali, but your lengthy quotes try to give the impression you are one and the rest of us don't know what we are talking about! ?
I'm certainly not an expert, far from it, but I can suss out when someone is posting inaccuracies and actually hasn't much of a clue about the present day Church.

I try to live my faith in the best way I can, it's not easy, as I'm not a very obviously holy person, who is certainly not into spending her knees praying all the time and saying look at me everyone!. My faith is private and it has taken a lot for me to post on here about it, but unfortunately I cannot read anymore nonsense and have been forced to respond to you!

As I get older, I question aspects of my faith on a daily basis, however, it is still the faith I have chosen to follow.
Furthermore, I heartily condem the heinious abuse perpetrated in the Catholic Church in the past. To that end, for the last twenty years, I have been heavily involved in Safeguarding procedures and practice , also training and advising clergy and parishoners. The Church is Scotland is no longer trying to cover up. A little late, but at least they are trying.

I can't redress the sins of the past, but I can do what I can to raise awareness of safeguarding, put practices in place and try ensure it doesn't happen again in my own Diocese.

I suspect your musings have nothing to do with Catholicism, but more to do with your dislike of BJ.

MerylStreep

Kali2
This is a genuine question. Living as you do in Switzerland, and not religious at all why are you so angry about something that has no relevance at all to your life?
Is all this just your ( bordering on the obsessional) hatred of Boris Johnson?
If so, your beginning to look ridiculous.

Pardon? If you do not want to discuss the issues, just ignore this thread. Your comment certainly is ... ridiculous.

My copied links where from official sites, including Catholic ones from UK. I have made it clear I am no expert.

You don't have to be an expert to see that with the very special role of the Anglican Church in the UK, a PM suddenly becoming a Catholic, and not for religious reasons- does have ramifications.

Do you sincerely believe that BJ has been suddenly taken over by the Catholic faith, in earnest and sincerity. Really?

I always respect anyone's sincere Faith- but despise those who use religion for their own selfish and hypocritical ends. And not just BJ.

Discuss the topic, not the poster.

My son is not religious at all. However, he married in church because that was his wife's wish. Should he not have done that?

I dont think anyone is judging individuals we are just talking about the complexity of it. And certainly for me the links between state and the church. I am an atheist, I refused to marry in church because I just couldnt. Dh became a catholic during my marriage so it's of interest to me.

Kali2
I think it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask. I’m sure that if I joined a Swiss site discussing Swiss politics and issues and then proceeded to tell you all how wrong you were with issues that had no bearing on my life in the uk, you would ask the same question.

Why would you? It would make no sense at all.

Interesting to bring the International dimension, however, as religions, even of the same denomination, are practised VERY differently depending on the Country, or Continent/culture.

For historical reasons, the Anglican Church is not really Protestant, and often seen as Catholicism without the Pope- and can vary hugely from region to region- and even village to village- going from High Church to very 'low' and progressive.

The UK Catholic Church is also not as eucomenical as many on the Continent, again due to the very particulars of British history since Henry VIII.

A very interesting topic on its very own.

GN is accessed by most countries do people not understand this?

25Avalon

The so called expert who obviously is not a Conservative or BJ admirer has seemingly not done his homework. In 2008 Gordon Brown, Labour PM, amended the constitutional link between the Church of England and the government executive. The Prime Minister and other ministers no longer advise the Crown. The Crown Nomination Commision submit the names of their preferred candidate and the second appointable candidate to the PM who is constitutionally responsible for passing that advise to the Queen.

Gordon Brown’s amendment has thus paved the way for a RC to be PM. Interestingly Tony Blair regularly attended mass as PM but was only received into the Catholic Church after he left office. Boris was baptised in the Catholic faith by his mother but when he was at Eton was confirmed as an Anglican. Then he met Carrie Symonds. Their son, Wilfred, was baptised in the Catholic faith. I’m sure Boris checked the position out carefully before getting married especially with 2 divorces behind him.

Thank you for your unbiased comment, just facts.

Kali you don’t seem to know the difference between the Church of England and the Anglican Church.

Alegrias1

It's seriously amazing to me that anybody cares what religion our PM is. Wasn't Disraeli Jewish? What would happen if Sunak became PM?

Exactly this, Thank you Alegrias. Wtf does it matter what religion Boris Johnson is, or anyone else for that matter. The man is a berk but that's nothing to do with his religion. Kali would you be quite so het up if he was Jewish? Or Sikh? Is it the religious following or just the man that you
quite understandably dislike? You've been throwidng factoids around about the Catholic faith for 2 days now. What is the problem?

Peasblossom

Kali you don’t seem to know the difference between the Church of England and the Anglican Church.

I don't either. What is the difference, please? I thought they were the same thing.

Kali2
why would you, it would make no sense at all
That’s what I asked you. Why get so annoyed at something that doesn’t affect one when living in another country.

Well said, Alegrias and Chewie.

It's obvious that if he's religious at all, Boris is a Christian. Surely that's enough to know and more than we need to know.

MerylStreep

Kali2
why would you, it would make no sense at all
That’s what I asked you. Why get so annoyed at something that doesn’t affect one when living in another country.

Ah, thanks, Meryl. I get it now.

Just to be clear - I don't know why anyone cares what religion he is, or why it matters.

Whilst I agree in general with your post @ 19.40 MerylStreep, I'm concerned that Kali appears to be suggesting that the faith a person follows should dictate whether or not they can hold a position in government. It's beginning to look less like an abhorrence of Boris Johnson and more like discrimination against him because of him being Catholic.

And Kali please stop telling people what they can post; it's bad mannered.

I am wondering at what stage obsession becomes harrassment, MerylStreep. Because this is not allowed on GN. You know nothing about me and you have no right whatsoever to make ridiculous assumptions. There are thousands out there who feel exactly as I do about Johnson- this pretending to be a Catholic is just another fact that shows up his lack of honesty and how he will twist and bend anything to his own end.

But yes, Constitutionally, it is a first, and with implications.

Mind you, if it shakes Ye Olde Apple tree, I am all for it, in many ways.

It is an intrinsic rule of GN to discuss the topic, and not the poster- or to make assumptions and fish for information.

Does the Equality Act not make a person's religion, or lack of it, irrelevant, constitutionally or otherwise, except to them personally, then, Kali?

The only person for whom it might be relevant is the monarch because they are head of the CofE.

Baggs

Peasblossom

Kali you don’t seem to know the difference between the Church of England and the Anglican Church.

I don't either. What is the difference, please? I thought they were the same thing.

The Church of England is the Mother Church of the Anglican communion of churches which is worldwide.

this pretending to be a Catholic is just another fact that shows up his lack of honesty and how he will twist and bend anything to his own end.

Did he pretend to be a Catholic Kali2? Or acquiesce to what his Catholic bride wanted?

Non-Catholics can marry Catholics in RC services as some in my family have done. I think they just have to promise to bring up any children of the union in the Catholic faith, which they have also done.

The only person for whom it might be relevant is the monarch because they are head of the CofE.

That is true and it is why Prince Michael of Kent relinquished his right to the throne when he married a Roman Catholic.