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Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

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Kali2 Mon 31-May-21 08:52:41

So it seems it is not 'just about' the wedding, but other implications

''Apparently the catholic church states that if a catholic marries a non catholic in any marriage not conducted by the catholic church, the marriage is not recognised as valid. By accepting those terms in order to proceed with his marriage, Johnson is accepting that having been baptised a catholic, he not only still is a catholic, he has always been a catholic.
This has important constitutional implications which I am sure will not have entered his head. Firstly, he has just "come out" as the first catholic Prime Minister in the UK's history.
Secondly, there are certain functions which are the sole responsibility of the Prime Minister which Johnson, as a catholic, is actually barred by law from performing.
The one which come immediately to mind is that under an act passed in the early 19th century and still in force, no catholic is permitted to advise the Queen on the appointment of any office holder in the Church of England.
Any catholic doing so is immediately rendered ineligible to hold any office under the crown for the rest of their life. This is where it gets interesting. Since Johnson became PM, a new Archbishop of York and at least one other diocesan Bishop have been appointed.
The procedure for such appointments is that a committee of the Church of England select a nominee and forward the details to the Prime Minister for approval. This is not automatic. Margaret Thatcher turned down one nomination for a bishop when she was PM. Assuming the PM is agreeable however, they advise the Queen to make the appointment. It would appear therefore that Johnson, a catholic, has advised the Queen regarding at least two appointments in the Church of England contrary to English law, and is therefore barred from life from holding any office of state, and is consequently no longer Prime Minister. I await developments with interest.
I think we should all speak out in mass, not just the Pope. As he is well over due a comment on the UK's human rights issues alone. As now even Amnesty International have Johnson and his vile Conservative Government on their list.''

as explained by an expert responding to an article in The Telegraph.

Callistemon Tue 01-Jun-21 20:22:50

Marydoll Tue 01-Jun-21 17:31:30

Marydoll I think you, more than anyone on here, appear to know exactly what you are talking about.

Although members of my family, including some very close to me, are Catholics, I would not profess to know how most of them feel about this. However, I have just been chatting to one who, although devout, is not that bothered by this marriage because the bride is Catholic and, as they said, it is her first marriage and obviously means a lot to her.

Callistemon Tue 01-Jun-21 20:25:37

Galaxy

GN is accessed by most countries do people not understand this?

I doubt that my Catholic (or non-Catholic) relatives in other countries are bothered one jot about this.

Callistemon Tue 01-Jun-21 20:29:02

Alegrias1

Just to be clear - I don't know why anyone cares what religion he is, or why it matters.

He could be a Jedi for all I care!!
Or none.

Galaxy Tue 01-Jun-21 20:29:53

They may or may not be. They are certainly entitled to express a view on it. Otherwise we had better put a stop to the threads on Trump, France, and so on.

Callistemon Tue 01-Jun-21 20:30:49

Apologies for the string of posts!

Shortlegs Wed 02-Jun-21 11:22:07

Remind me why any of this mumbo jumbo is in the least important?

Nanascats Wed 02-Jun-21 11:35:15

If as they say that Boris's evils marriage are null and void that that make his older children illegitimate?

Nanascats Wed 02-Jun-21 11:36:16

Sorry previous marriages not evils

TanaMa Wed 02-Jun-21 11:47:36

Reading all these comments, some quite nasty for 'people with religion' proves the old saying that 'religion is the cause of so much trouble and strife in the world today, as it has been over centuries'.

Coco51 Wed 02-Jun-21 11:55:11

Does anybody really care these days? People call themselves ’Christians’ but they most definitely are not living Christian lives.

Theoddbird Wed 02-Jun-21 12:09:05

Oh for goodness sake. Does it really matter what religion the prime minister is? It has no baring on the way he does the job ir advises the queen. This is 2021. Get a life and stop worrying about things that really do not matter. There are more important things in life...

GreenGran78 Wed 02-Jun-21 12:09:45

Sadly, these days most baptisms, of any denomination, are purely social affairs - as are First Communions and Confirmations.
The clothes and the celebration afterwards seem to be the focus of the occasion, rather than it’s religious significance, in most cases.

Pedwards Wed 02-Jun-21 12:29:18

Someone somewhere with too much money would no doubt bail him out

Pedwards Wed 02-Jun-21 12:31:13

Illegitimate? ??‍♀️

sandelf Wed 02-Jun-21 12:33:12

As C-of-E I'd like to chip in. Most religious I know are very 'live and let live' - to the point of not minding whether you also attend worship houses of other faiths - never mind other denominations of the same faith!

maddyone Wed 02-Jun-21 12:35:16

I said somewhere up thread, but I’ll say it again, there is no such thing as illegitimate today. A law was passed some years ago, not sure when, that makes all children legitimate. As it should be in my opinion. So now all children can inherit from their parents. I’m not sure if there are any other changes, but I wholly approve of this law.

Annaram1 Wed 02-Jun-21 12:39:28

My RC priest says that a Catholic and a nonCatholic can marry in an RC church with a special dispensation.

GrammaGill Wed 02-Jun-21 12:39:36

The canonical requirements for godparents for Baptism and sponsors for Confirmation are the following:
Must be a Catholic who is baptized and confirmed.
Must be 16 years of age.
Must regularly practice the faith.
Must have membership in a Catholic parish.

My daughter married a Rooman Catholic and they are scraping around trying to find friends who are practising Catholics for a baptism!

However we all know laws of any kind don't apply to Boris Johnson so I'm sure he will be fine.

GrammaGill Wed 02-Jun-21 12:39:57

ROMAN gah where's EDIT? ;)

Nannan2 Wed 02-Jun-21 12:42:22

At least ONE Godparent must be a catholic when you baptise your child in the catholic faith.

Nannan2 Wed 02-Jun-21 12:44:01

When the parents marry it makes any illegitimate children Legitimate.

Nannan2 Wed 02-Jun-21 12:45:03

But if Boris was true to his faith he would not be a serial cheat.?

Nannan2 Wed 02-Jun-21 12:51:11

Youre right Grammagill- when my middle DD was having both her children baptised together in catholic faith, (as our family are) she had to ask me to be one extra God mother on the day as all the God parents they had chosen none were catholic, practicing or otherwise.(I on other hand was attending our local RC church regularly then as it was very close and my son was going regular for 1st holy communion preparation.

maddyone Wed 02-Jun-21 12:53:27

I’m not a Catholic but I am my niece’s Godmother. My husband’s not Catholic but he’s my nephew’s Godfather. My sister married a Catholic and the children were brought up Catholic, but we non Catholics are Godparents to their children, who are now adults of course.

I keep saying it and I’ll say it again

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGITIMATE CHILD NOW. ALL CHILDREN ARE LEGITIMATE NOW.

Got it?

HannahLoisLuke Wed 02-Jun-21 12:53:32

MaizieD

Impressive, Avalon.

Is that your knowledge or google's? (genuine question. I'm always impressed by the depth of knowledge Gnetters have)

I also heard this on the radio over the weekend. There was a discussion between various experts and Boris did indeed become Anglican at Eaton and was confirmed into that church.