Brexit, Polls have turned, not just one, but all of them, but one

I would say the same to anyone who suggested that there was insufficient research and information available before the referendum

Then you would be conflating sheer bad manners with an ill informed decision Kali2. I'm just as disappointed as you (and Whitewavemark2 for that matter) the way the referendum went. But even I can understand why people voted as they did. And whilst there was information out there, it was contradictory and inflammatory by both sides and it has to be accepted, at some point, that the Remain party just didn't do a good enough job in convincing enough people.

But if we ever get the opportunity to have another referendum, we'll have to change the snarky, superior, "only racists and plebs voted to leave" narrative or we'll end up in the same situation again. Most people don't react well to be spoken down to.

GillT57

Nobody is whingeing, but many of us read the reports before the referendum, listened to the warnings, and now can see it happening, albeit masked by covid19 events. I hope that eventually we will return to some sort of trading agreement with the EU which will also involve free movement.

Yes, some are whingeing.

You may not be and I may not be but plenty are.
I can't see that whingeing and negativity will make a jot of difference.

I am so glad Biden will have a very strong word with Johnson about the NI protocol and any possible deal. That might concentrate the mind. It was crystal clear, to anyone who studied the issues and listened to the experts in the fields- that the UK/NI/Eire border situation had no possible answers which would suit everyone- and that was NOT the EU's fault. And of course that the EU could not and would not- accept a No border between UK and EU- for very clear and obvious reasons.

So if anyone was not aware of this, during the run up to the Referendum, it does not seem rude at all to ask if they were 'asleep'.

Chewbacca

^We’re you asleep in the lead up to the referendum?^

Are you always so rude and bad mannered Whitewavemark2 or do you save it up until you're safely behind a keyboard? For someone who likes to pride themselves on being able to conduct a debate, you're remarkably well equipped to shut down discussion. Check your manners.

I would say the same to anyone who suggested that there was insufficient research and information available before the referendum.

204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown Remain ahead, with just seven for Leave, and 15 ties.

even if you don't trust polls, this is abundantly clear.

MawBe

Just saying it is easy to be wise after the event.

All the warnings were there- again and again. But the reply to the experts was constantly 'Project Fear'.

However, those who did not study the issues, did not listen to the experts' warnings - could not 'be wise' - you can only be wise if you are told exactly what you vote for, and all the pros and cons. In this case, 'Brexit' was a totally fictional concept, that not even the most ardent of Brexiters could agree about.

Brexit should have been clearly defined for what it would be- with all the pros and cons clearly pointed out, honestly and truthfully. It was NOT. So being 'wise' was not easy- especially as so much of it was based on pure lies.

Horse has bolted- lots of damage done. Horse can now choose to not jump over the cliff- Horses can be very wise.

MawBe

Stable door - bolted - horse - after - closing ?

Quite!

You need to go back to the fact that the referendum was advisory and there are rules about referendums - the percentage voting and percentage of the win needed - the reason why Eire needed to have two referendums to pass the Maastricht Treaty. The in/out referendum nowhere near followed the rules but it was forced through and as Farage said beforehand a 52/48 result was unfinished business - oh I forgot - that was only if he lost!
Why would anyone think that this could not be reversed at some time? Laws in Britain have been repealed in the past and can be done again.
Those who believe we should have stayed in the EU have at least another 35 years of belly aching before equalling that which went on by those who never wanted to join!

We’re you asleep in the lead up to the referendum?

Are you always so rude and bad mannered Whitewavemark2 or do you save it up until you're safely behind a keyboard? For someone who likes to pride themselves on being able to conduct a debate, you're remarkably well equipped to shut down discussion. Check your manners.

You may not be Gill - but some are!

Nobody is whingeing, but many of us read the reports before the referendum, listened to the warnings, and now can see it happening, albeit masked by covid19 events. I hope that eventually we will return to some sort of trading agreement with the EU which will also involve free movement.

We were wise before the event. If you took part in the debate, everything that has/is happening was foreseen

I hope you are not insinuating that I didn’t. ?
A decision was made based on a referendum which many may regret as a format of political decision making, but you can’t just keep whingeing and asking the same question over and over until you get the answer you want.

Chewbacca

If as much research and soul searching had gone into this before the referendum, as there has been after it, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. Doing a poll 5 years after the fact is rather a pointless excercise.

I can't agree with that Chewbacca, it is still necessary to understand the mood of the nation.

That and the fact that this is a meta-analysis of 226 different polls over the period 2017 to 2021.

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Granny23

*We certainly won't be going back into the EU* Who is the "We" in this statement? As an Independence supporting Scot, I fully expect that some time (I hope soon) Scotland will be rejoining the EU.

We all will eventually.

Don’t forget that covid is masking a lot of the problems.

There is now a world shortage of labour, and it is exacerbated in the U.K. by Brexit.

Businesses will have to pay far more (some suggest double in some industries) making everything more expensive and less profitable.

Granny23 ?

If as much research and soul searching had gone into this before the referendum, as there has been after it, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now. Doing a poll 5 years after the fact is rather a pointless excercise.

We certainly won't be going back into the EU Who is the "We" in this statement? As an Independence supporting Scot, I fully expect that some time (I hope soon) Scotland will be rejoining the EU.

MawBe

Just saying it is easy to be wise after the event.

We were wise before the event. If you took part in the debate, everything that has/is happening was foreseen.

I am quite sure that we will eventually be part of the single market again. The EU is such a big economic block as is the USA and China. We, as a single entity, will find that we have very little power to influence. You only have to look at th3 Australian deal to understand what a weak position we are now in.

I haven’t seen/heard about any of these polls.

As has been pointed out, so what? We certainly won't be going back into the EU. Pointless doing surveys abut this.

Just saying it is easy to be wise after the event.

Stable door - bolted - horse - after - closing ?

? with you there. I think/hope we’ll go back to the single market at some point. It’ll solve so many issues and reopen the borders again for free travel. I think it’s been proved now that countries can open and close borders as they wish and as they need, whether in EU or not. I understand - don’t agree with but understand - why a lot of people voted out but I think the experiment has largely failed and a lot now see it was a bad decision.

It’s already happened, bit late arguing about it now.