Brexit, Polls have turned, not just one, but all of them, but one

Does anyone seriously think we’ll be rejoining the EU within the next 20 years?

I don't think that many, if any, people on this thread were suggesting rejoining. soon

There is no reason why we shouldn't rejoin the Single Market though (which, despite what has been claimed, is not the EU).

MaizieD
It’s the EU of today that most remainers are missing. Freedom of movement for example. The EU of 25 years ago yeah, sign me up. That was the problem, it kept changing.

lemongrove

Kali I hope you will accept what you have no power to change and manage to find peace with it.
It’s no way to live otherwise.

I am such a happy, joyfull and positive person, at peace with myself. That is the reason I am not going to put down tools and fight for the best Brexit possible, not the one being forced upon us, and more importantly, our grandchildren.

The way to live in onwards and forwards, not lying back thinking of Ye Olde England. I want to look my grandchildren in the eye when they ask the inevitable question.

So what will you do to bring about the change Kali2?

Why is everyone cross-questioning Kali? Haven't you got anything to say for yourselves?

Kali2

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/britain-has-turned-against-brexit-biggest-ever-poll-of-polls-says-163420/#.YLy0YPPt0G8.facebook

Share of people who think Brexit was the right or wrong decision 2020-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Apr 14, 2021
As of April, 2021, 43 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 46 percent who thought it was the right decision. In the actual referendum, which took place on June 23, 2016, leave won 51.9 percent of the votes and remain 48.1 percent, after several polls in the run-up to the referendum put remain slightly ahead.

I want to look my grandchildren in the eye when they ask the inevitable question.

What question is that? I doubt very much that our grandchildren will give Brexit a second thought. It will be something their grandparents might have mentioned. But they will be living their own lives. My Mum was a child during WW2. She lived in London. Her family never went to a bomb shelter. If we're going to die, we'll die together, is what her father used to say. They thought that life would never settle down. Never return to normal. But it did. And Brexit is something that happened and the generations after us will not be giving it a second thought. People adapt. We're good at that.

Kandinsky

MaizieD
It’s the EU of today that most remainers are missing. Freedom of movement for example. The EU of 25 years ago yeah, sign me up. That was the problem, it kept changing.

I don't think that the EU of 25 years ago was all that different from the EU of today. Fewer member states, perhaps. Was that what you liked?

Anyway, the Single Market is probably similar to what you look back on (though I think you're probably a bit mistaken) except that the UK would not have a voice at the table... Like Norway.

But I could live with that.

What I can't live with is the current situation which is stymying trade and causing lots of problems for business. And, IMO, making the UK look rather silly.

Talullah

*I want to look my grandchildren in the eye when they ask the inevitable question.*

What question is that? I doubt very much that our grandchildren will give Brexit a second thought. It will be something their grandparents might have mentioned. But they will be living their own lives. My Mum was a child during WW2. She lived in London. Her family never went to a bomb shelter. If we're going to die, we'll die together, is what her father used to say. They thought that life would never settle down. Never return to normal. But it did. And Brexit is something that happened and the generations after us will not be giving it a second thought. People adapt. We're good at that.

Terrible analogy, Talullah

The war was a bad time. Being in the EU wasn't; being out of the EU is.

Strangely, it was our parent's generation who were all for the 'Common Market', and, according to analysis of the ref vote, those still living tended to vote Remain.

Why is everyone cross-questioning Kali? Haven't you got anything to say for yourselves?

I don't see why you should think people are answerable to you for asking a perfectly civil question to a perfectly civil post PippaZ; unless you're the thread police? But to humour your demands: Kali2 has posted extensively on this subject and I, along with many other posters have contributed to the thread. As Kali2 said that she wasn't prepared to accept the Brexit situation without a fight, it seems to me to be quite reasonable to ask what avenues of protest or action she feels is still open to us. Is that ok with you?

Talullah

*I want to look my grandchildren in the eye when they ask the inevitable question.*

What question is that? I doubt very much that our grandchildren will give Brexit a second thought. It will be something their grandparents might have mentioned. But they will be living their own lives. My Mum was a child during WW2. She lived in London. Her family never went to a bomb shelter. If we're going to die, we'll die together, is what her father used to say. They thought that life would never settle down. Never return to normal. But it did. And Brexit is something that happened and the generations after us will not be giving it a second thought. People adapt. We're good at that.

Good Lord Tallulah, people never stop talking about the war and its rarely the whole truth they talk about. You get people who were not even a twinkle talking about it as if the were there and fought and won it by themselves. I don't doubt that, if things are not as promised, some will lose their memory of just how it was and how they voted. Didn't the resistance grow very juicy with the numbers who reckoned they had been in it - after liberation.

I've no idea how my Kindle can turn quickly into juicy but quickly was what I meant.

Amazing how many whinge about Brexit. There is an old saying along the lines of you made your bed, you lie on it. I doubt anyone forced people to vote the way they did, somehow.

nanna8

Amazing how many whinge about Brexit. There is an old saying along the lines of you made your bed, you lie on it. I doubt anyone forced people to vote the way they did, somehow.

I did not make the bl**dy bed, nanna8. Only 37% of the electorate made it and the current government has chosen to make it in the least comfortable way ever. There were other options.

I will continue to object and anyone who wants to tell me differently can take a running jump.

Yes, you can continue to object, but only by venting on social media.It does no good ....but gets it off your chest I suppose.

I think a lot of these surveys are slanted towards getting the result wanted. Trade deals are already coming through and if we were still in the EU we would not have had the fantastic vaccine progress we have. No one we know has changed their mind about voting leave and are looking forward to better days ahead.
Of course there will always be those who will argue until they are blue in the face that they know what is best for everyone else. Many of them seem to be on this site and are unpleasant and hectoring so I just scroll on, all opinions are equally valid and do not warrant the bile that floods some postings.

What, all 226 of them? Gosh, those Remainers have been industrious, haven't they? Infiltrating the polling company owned by a Tory Minister as well.

All opinions are indeed valid

but I tend to respect those based on some knowledge and careful research of the topic- on any subject, not just 'B'.

So please, give us evidence of those polls being slanted- especially as the Company is owned by, as said above, a Tory Minister highly involved in this disaster.

Trade deals are already coming through and if we were still in the EU we would not have had the fantastic vaccine progress we have.

Trade deals are pathetic and nowhere near replacing what we had in the EU.

We could have achieved the same vaccine result if we'd remained in the EU. There was no obligation to join the EU procurement scheme.

Now tell me something positive we have gained from leaving the EU

If the polls were done by the Evening Standard then I would guess that it was mostly Londoners who participated and most of the leave vote was London based, how many from Yorkshire and other leave areas were canvassed?

As for us taking part in the EU vaccination programme, we would still be waiting and last in the queue.

Nanof3

If the polls were done by the Evening Standard then I would guess that it was mostly Londoners who participated and most of the leave vote was London based, how many from Yorkshire and other leave areas were canvassed?

As for us taking part in the EU vaccination programme, we would still be waiting and last in the queue.

Evidence of being last in the queue?

The survey covering all the polls was done for teh Evening Standard, not the actual polls - they were done by You.gov.

I don't honestly know why anyone ever thought it was a good idea in the first place.

I was mildly pro-remain, though with reservations, but subsequent events have turned me into a brexiteer. I think the EU has behaved quite disgracefully, both before and after the referendum.

My hope is that wages rise in the UK as the supply of cheap labour from the EU is choked off and employers are forced to make the investments that raise productivity.

In what ways do you think the EU has behaved disgracefully rather than just looking after its own interests?

What investments do you think employers will make to raise productivity?

Have you really considered the implications of a shortage of labour in many sectors and the impact on prices? Or the possibility that business will move abroad, especially in the financial and hi-tech industries?

Friend of mine flew back to the UK last week after being abroad on unavoidable family business. They went to the EU country of their birth when it was perfectly legal to do so and got "stuck" because they didn't want to travel internationally when it was seen as "not the done thing". On returning to this country they were held at the border, took hours to get through the procedures and one member of the party ended up in tears.

My friend has lived in this country for 20 years, is a key worker with the NHS, has done the right thing at every juncture and has all the paperwork, but was made to feel like a second class person. And no, it wasn't COVID regulations, it was Brexit.

My hope is that we realise what a regressive step Brexit is and that we stop thinking we're the bees knees in this country.