The Irish Question revisited

railman

Since, as others have said, we currently adhere to EU food standards, why not just accept that that is where the UK is today, including NI. Sign off the Veterinary Agreement with a clause to state either side may invoke penalties, if standards fall BELOW the current level?

Maintain the current standards in force, and impose sanctions if UK falls below current EU standards that we currently follow, or as some might have it, we exceed.

The EU knows full well that the UK is very likely to strike deals with countries that do NOT adhere to those standards.

This is even clearer from today, as we have signed an agreement with OZ- with very different standards. So meat could come in from OZ, be made into sausages in the UK, and then go on to NI and possibly on to the EU via Eire, by the 'back open door'. It is all very simple.

Apparently the Aussies are delighted with the deal. The "negotiation" seems to have been very one sided.

I’ve posted this on the government site but it may be if interest here.

It will save British people less than 2 quid a year. Hurrah - and destroy our farming industry + make solutions for the Irish border almost impossible.

Hurrah! Well done Liz!

Oh I made a massive mistake here. Not 2 quid, about 50p. Don't spend it all at once I say.

oooohhhhh up to 1.22 says another source. Wow.

“This is even clearer from today, as we have signed an agreement with OZ- with very different standards. So meat could come in from OZ, be made into sausages in the UK, and then go on to NI and possibly on to the EU via Eire, by the 'back open door'. It is all very simple.”

No, not as raw sausages, possibly as a cooked meat product, imported ingredients have to be declared and tarriff, if any applied to them, that is detailed in the “Withdrawl Agreement”.
Nothing to stop us consuming imports, importing Australian Meat to make pies to send to the EU is one example, there are many others

have they asked northern ireland what they would like to do? stay in gb or be in the EU? i think its totally up to them .

The people of NI were asked that in 2016 and they wanted to remain in the EU.

NI voted as part of the UK, same as Wales and Scotland.

...and England.

Would you not say that the voters in England, Scotland and Wales probably had less of an understanding of the implications of brexit on NI.?

One of the most ludicrous statements which I have heard often repeated over the last five years is "we knew exactly what we were voting for"

Really???????

The majority of unionists in NI voted to leave.

moggie57

have they asked northern ireland what they would like to do? stay in gb or be in the EU? i think its totally up to them .

Well Johnson doesn't seem keen on Scotland getting the choice, do you think he'd be any keener on NI.

nadateturbe

The majority of unionists in NI voted to leave.

Unionists do not represent the majority in NI any more than conservatives represent the majority in UK.

In the last general election most NI voters voted AGAINST the DUP and most GB voters voted AGAINST the conservatives.

We do not live in a democracy

Not happy at the DUP! Poots has resigned - what???

DUP aren't the only unionist party in NI. Unionists voted for other unionist parties. The point I made was that the UK as a whole voted to leave.

Why break it down saying N.I wanted to stay in EU. We are part of UK, whether some like it or not, who as a whole decided to leave. We left, it's done, lies told, promises broken and now it's down to Boris to sort out the shambles it has caused. Some might want rid of N.I just to make it a bit easier, but is it fair on N.I citizens who want to stay part of UK? No.

Poots resignation was a result of the deal agreed to implement the Irish Language act. People are unhappy as SF had refused to nominate a DFM if their demand wasn't met. This would have meant an election which we can't afford at the minute - Our health service is a shambles. We deserve better than this. I think the assembly should concentrate on important issues and leave their differences aside for now.

The idiotic politians need to sort out their priorities. The health service is in a mess and was long before Covid and now they have to catch up which will take years. It is our brilliant NHS though and we only have this free service because we are part of UK and for that I'm thankful. In party fighting and an Irish language are not needed at this moment, more hospitals, doctors and nurses are. They need to get a grip and stop messing with peoples lives just to point score against " the other side".

“Some might want rid of N.I just to make it a bit easier, but is it fair on N.I citizens who want to stay part of UK? No.”

I’ll vote for that!. NI would be far better off in every way without the sectarianism, having lost the ability to blackmail Westminster, Stormont has got has to get its act together and cooperate. As for wanting to stay part of the UK, Foster refused a referendum on that topic, so we don’t know what the majority of NI voters want.

Katie59 Foster said it was a bad idea. Its not her decision. Yes, we need cooperation in Stormont..from ALL parties.
The blame for the mess we are in is not down to one party. Its a system of government that supports sectarianism.
We need to set aside border issues for now. People need schools jobs doctors etc. Those who say these issues are their priority should prove it.

Katie59 blackmail Westminster.

It's the very place where decisions are made and not followed through. You seem to have more of a problem with the DUP than any other party, but it's not just one party to blame here, it's all of them. They all walked out of Stormont for years and got bloomin good wages for doing nothing for their voters, no decisions could be made. This country will always have it's problems as long as there are the "two flags flying" and most of us just deal with it, but when promises are broken by idiot politicians it's not on. No country would stand for it, so why should we here in N.I, are we not allowed to stand up for our rights and have a voice.

Love this quote

“Potty Poots lasted about the same length of time as he thinks the world has existed”