The Irish Question revisited

U.K. won’t do that because they are so obsessed with having nothing to do with what they perceived as EU rules.

It just shows how ridiculous they are, as they are perfectly prepared to follow other rules involved in trade treaties.

railman

Since, as others have said, we currently adhere to EU food standards, why not just accept that that is where the UK is today, including NI. Sign off the Veterinary Agreement with a clause to state either side may invoke penalties, if standards fall BELOW the current level?

Maintain the current standards in force, and impose sanctions if UK falls below current EU standards that we currently follow, or as some might have it, we exceed.

Shame they didn't include that in the agreement they signed but they didn't

WhiteWaterMark2

Why is it that the Remainers do not understand that if we accept the EU position, we will be tied into their ridiculous courts when we want to be free of their rule? Why can’t the EU cannot understand that NI is part of the United Kingdom. I want Paris to stop sending goods to Cannes…obviously stupid as Cannes is part of Metropolitan France.

You may not know but when France wanted to hold on to their colonies, they made them part of Metropolitan France so there is an island about 10 minutes away from my current home in St Lucia that is part of Metropolitan France although it is in the Caribbean, France sends goods there and I often receive oysters flown from France to Martinique and onto St Lucia. Who cares? But France does not accept NI as part of UK! It is pure politicking in France. Macron is not popular in many French areas and he is acting like the strong man to win the next election. If we stop importing French wine, cheese etc. We will see what happens! Other nations will not want to lose UK custom. If I was a politician I would start a Buy British campaign and buy our own produce and those of our Commonwealth members. We dropped New Zealand and Australian goods when we joined the EU. Such a disgrace. I think the lack of loyalty to our country shown by some people is shameful. I am almost 87 and remain proud of my home city and country. God Save The Queen!

And I am sorry for my grammatical errors. I taught English in PNG for about 25 years. Disgrace!

Why can’t the EU cannot understand that NI is part of the United Kingdom.

We told them that for these purposes we would treat NI as not part of the UK. We agreed to it. We told them that and now we want to go back on our word.

Why do Brexiters find that so hard to understand? Or are they just ignoring it because it makes uncomfortable reading?

As for lack of loyalty, take that up with Johnson. He'd sell you - and the Queen - down the river for a mess of pottage. If you'll excuse my mixed metaphors.

Anniel, that position was fine during the negotiations- but now it is too late. It was very clear, crystal clear, when the negotiated settlement was agreed and signed- that NI would remain in Single market, and rest of UK not- and what the consequences would be. The EU reached out in many ways to make sure these problems would not arise, the UK refused each time.

They just can't go back now. Whether that was due to sheer stupidity or incompetence, or, as I believe, a deliberate strategy they always intended to renege on.

Anniel

WhiteWaterMark2

Why is it that the Remainers do not understand that if we accept the EU position, we will be tied into their ridiculous courts when we want to be free of their rule? Why can’t the EU cannot understand that NI is part of the United Kingdom. I want Paris to stop sending goods to Cannes…obviously stupid as Cannes is part of Metropolitan France.

You may not know but when France wanted to hold on to their colonies, they made them part of Metropolitan France so there is an island about 10 minutes away from my current home in St Lucia that is part of Metropolitan France although it is in the Caribbean, France sends goods there and I often receive oysters flown from France to Martinique and onto St Lucia. Who cares? But France does not accept NI as part of UK! It is pure politicking in France. Macron is not popular in many French areas and he is acting like the strong man to win the next election. If we stop importing French wine, cheese etc. We will see what happens! Other nations will not want to lose UK custom. If I was a politician I would start a Buy British campaign and buy our own produce and those of our Commonwealth members. We dropped New Zealand and Australian goods when we joined the EU. Such a disgrace. I think the lack of loyalty to our country shown by some people is shameful. I am almost 87 and remain proud of my home city and country. God Save The Queen!

Maybe they see The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as meaning Northern Ireland is slightly different to England, Wales and Scotland?

The whole world is watching and have all come to the conclusion Johnson cannot be trusted- and this has rubbed on to Great Britain.

AlegriasL For me my country is not Boris or any other here today gone tomorrow politician.

My country, right or wrong in some eyes, is the greatest country in the world regardless of politics. That is why it seems as if half the world would want to live with us! This is a petty matter. When you look at border checks at Rotterdam and find how easy it is to send goods to that port from outside the EU and then look at the checks made at Rotterdam to admit them, then you may have a respectable argument but there is nothing said. I will wait and see if Section 16 is applied.

My country is certainly not Boris either.

The country I grew up in kept to its word and didn't have its allies thinking it was untrustworthy. Quite the opposite.

I don't think a country is "the greatest in the world" when it is doing nothing to live up to that description.

Anniel, loving you country and believe it is the best in the world (and I have no issue with that at all) should be the very best reason for not supporting Johnson, whose lies and dishonesty is doing so much damage to this Great country.

As for article 16 - be very very careful what you wish for. Do you have any idea what the consequences would be for the UK?

If you support this appalling, lying PM who has disgraced this country by lying to the Queen, lying to the voters and now threatening to renege on an international agreement, I am afraid you cannot call yourself a patriot.

A patriot would never support anything which harms our country.

Quote of the year!

Whitewave that is brilliant. Her English is so good I'm sure she didn't need a translation.

theworriedwell

Whitewave that is brilliant. Her English is so good I'm sure she didn't need a translation.

Formidable woman, fluent in French, German and obviously English, lived 4 yrs in Californian, mother of no less than 7 children.

Anniel

AlegriasL For me my country is not Boris or any other here today gone tomorrow politician.

My country, right or wrong in some eyes, is the greatest country in the world regardless of politics. That is why it seems as if half the world would want to live with us! This is a petty matter. When you look at border checks at Rotterdam and find how easy it is to send goods to that port from outside the EU and then look at the checks made at Rotterdam to admit them, then you may have a respectable argument but there is nothing said. I will wait and see if Section 16 is applied.

Why wouldn't the EU check imports?

Whitewavemark2

Quote of the year!

Ah! But it was just legal purism!

Next time you sign a contract for anything, don't fret about anybody keeping to its terms. It will just be legal purism.

Johnson is apparently going to push the Australian trade deal through without parliamentary scrutiny.

One is beginning to wonder the point of parliament, or indeed of democracy

Anniel

AlegriasL For me my country is not Boris or any other here today gone tomorrow politician.

My country, right or wrong in some eyes, is the greatest country in the world regardless of politics. That is why it seems as if half the world would want to live with us! This is a petty matter. When you look at border checks at Rotterdam and find how easy it is to send goods to that port from outside the EU and then look at the checks made at Rotterdam to admit them, then you may have a respectable argument but there is nothing said. I will wait and see if Section 16 is applied.

It’s easy to export if you obey the rules and have the correct paperwork, we now have inland borders checking goods to make sure everything is correct, before they get to the port.

The Government “glossed over” the problems that we’re going to be encountered.

Why is it that the "patriotic" Brits who live in Spain or St Lucia complain that "half the worlds wants to live in the UK"?

The National Curriculum divides reading up into two closely linked skills: word reading and comprehension. Primary school children are tested for this.

I believe our Government's reading comprehension skills should have been tested before the Brexit agreement was signed.

Anniel ''Why can’t the EU cannot understand that NI is part of the United Kingdom. I want Paris to stop sending goods to Cannes…obviously stupid as Cannes is part of Metropolitan France.''

please, stop this nonsense. It is not the same, not the same at all. The Deal Johnson negotiated and signed to get 'Brexit' done- was totally clear, absolutely and totally. He knew exactly what it meant, and what the consequences would be. He was warend by all the experts in the field- he was warned by the EU, given a chance to mitigate, to find solutions. He refused them all- and always intended to renege and that the EU would just drop their pantaloons.

Comparing Paris to Cannes or Toulouse makes no sense at all. They are under the same regime, both in the single market and customs union, bound by the same rules, same standards, same everything.

The UK is now divided by the Deal- everyone who paid any attention, and certainly those who negotiated and signed- knew this. NI remaining in the single market to avoid a border between them and Eire- and the rest of UK not.

That is it - they refused all solutions ans still signed, But is the reality- end of.

that is the reality

1. I am in St Lucia for so long because medically, I am considered high risk and I would be safer here than at home, so the cheap shot is incorrect. Currently, there are no commercial flights from Gatwick as tourists cannot come.

2. Ofcourse not sending goods across France is ridiculous, but that was an analogy for sending sausages from London to Belfast. Northern Ireland is part of the UK just as the Côte d’Azur is a French Departement. I simply do not understand why the EU cannot see that and make an issue of it because Eire has a border with UK. I mentioned the slackness of checks at Rotterdam regarding goods entering the EU...silence. The EU are determined to punish UK in order to prevent any other country who might want to leave that sclerotic organisation. I will certainly stick to Australian and NZ wine and British butter. Many people disapprove of Boris Johnson. I am listening to Tom Bower’s book about him. But whatever you think, he has won my party the General election, because the party realised that Labour has lost touch with the UK working clasx. They voted to leave the EU and now some of you are compounding the Labour view that leavers are thick, do not understand European History and are just plain ignorant. Those opinions do not win votes and poor Keir Starmer is only as popular as Jeremy Corbyn. So Labour voters will be waiting a long time for that elusive victory. I think the only way this will end up is with World Trade Tariffs. And any blocking of UK goods will end up with exports from France and Germany suffering. This is just economics.

Oh Anniel, I don't want to be rude- but NOT, it is not the same at all. A Departement is like a County, not a country.

Johnson and negotiators and many more, like ERG, knew exactly the difference, and AGREED to NI remainin in the Single Market, whereas the rest of UK would not. There is NO WAY the EU can agree to not being a border somewhere between EU single market, and a third country, which the UK CHOSE to become- refusing all solutions to alleviate the effects proposed to to the UK.

The Single Market is the major advantage of the EU and is sacrosanct. This will be even more so from today.