Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Surely it is the right of every care home resident to refuse care from an unvaccinated person?

growstuff

It's not the case now, but when I started teaching it was necessary for new teachers to have had a TB vaccination and/or chest X-ray. You weren't even allowed to start training without it.

Me too! I had to go to County Hall for it and was horrified when I realised I would have to strip down to my bra - as I wasn’t wearing one!

i think a good argument could be made for requiring all school children in state schools, to have all the recommended infant vaccinations.
if people object, let them fund their own schools.
why should the majority, who follow medical advice, have their children exposed to possible infection from others whose parents are non-compliant.
tail wagging dog.

“ Tell me biscuitmuncher If you were frail and in care or someone very dear to you was old and frail and in care, would you be happy to know that several of the carers looking after you had not been vaccinated against COVID and could give you the disease or your loved one a disease that has a high chance of proving fatal?

Please do not duck this question, the way most vaccine denier/doubters do. Prove you are not another of the gutless womders.”

Not holding my breath

It's not the case now, but when I started teaching it was necessary for new teachers to have had a TB vaccination and/or chest X-ray. You weren't even allowed to start training without it.

Like I said above...I don't know what the answer is here.

But I think we should remember that people who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons are I believe exempt from this requirement, so its not a case of keeping all unvaccinated people out of care homes.

Also, the vast majority of care home residents have been vaccinated themselves.

Also, a lot of anti-vaxxers, ( I know one) has had the vaccine now because they want to go abroad on holiday. It seems they bang on about their body, their choice and needing to have body autonomy but if they can't get a holiday abroad then all of a sudden it's 'bring it on"!

Hear hear Monica.

I’d like to buscuitmunchers’s reasons for objecting to the vaccination I really would.

Lots of jobs have medical requirements, including requirements to take any medications prescribed to you, including, at the simplest having to meet certain eyesight requirements to drive, this includes having to wear glasses/contact lens to meet these standards.

Lorry drives also have to meet stringent health requirements. If you go offshore you need to produce a certificate of dental fitness, showing that you have been to a dentist and had any work required done. Saying you have an objection or phobia to going to the dentist and having treatment, won't cut it. Either you get the certificateand have the treatment or you do not go offshore.

Requiring that you have the COVID and I would include flu vaccines if you want to work in a care home seems to me entirely reasonable. If you do not want them, then work elsewhere.

Tell me biscuitmuncher If you were frail and in care or someone very dear to you was old and frail and in care, would you be happy to know that several of the carers looking after you had not been vaccinated against COVID and could give you the disease or your loved one a disease that has a high chance of proving fatal?

Please do not duck this question, the way most vaccine denier/doubters do. Prove you are not another of the gutless womders.

PippaZ

Biscuitmuncher

It's a slippery slope, isn't it, forcing people to have a vaccine?

You are not forcing people to have a vaccine though, are you? You are saying that the job requires you to be vaccinated.

If I saw a job advertised that required heavy lifting I could not and would not be able to do it. No one would suggest I was being forced into heavy lifting. Similarly if a job requires a qualification you don't have you would not say you are being forced to get that qualification.

Well said, PippaZ

Agree Ilovecheese

Ilovecheese

I wonder how many people will leave their jobs because they don't want the vaccine. There is already a staff shortage.
This job needs to be treated with the respect and renumeration that it deserves in order to attract applicants.

This job needs to be treated with the respect and renumeration that it deserves in order to attract applicants.

That's what it needs from every angle.

There is already a London plumbing firm (Pimlico Plumbing), who have instigated a no jab - no job policy.

I am just uncomfortable with the fact that it could become the norm in many workplaces.

I wonder how many people will leave their jobs because they don't want the vaccine. There is already a staff shortage.
This job needs to be treated with the respect and renumeration that it deserves in order to attract applicants.

Yes same here SueDonim Hep B and tetanus.

No one is being forced to have the vaccination Biscuitmuncher There will be other jobs where the vaccination is not a condition of employment.

Biscuitmuncher

It's a slippery slope, isn't it, forcing people to have a vaccine?

You are not forcing people to have a vaccine though, are you? You are saying that the job requires you to be vaccinated.

If I saw a job advertised that required heavy lifting I could not and would not be able to do it. No one would suggest I was being forced into heavy lifting. Similarly if a job requires a qualification you don't have you would not say you are being forced to get that qualification.

Whilst I think it is necessary at this moment, I am not entirely comfortable with compulsory vaccination.

I have thought long and hard about this and I keep coming back to the same place where I am uncertain that this could raise a precedent whereby it becomes law to have certain vaccines pre-school etc.

I know if I go to certain Countries I have to have proof of certain vaccines but, a choice has been made to visit that place.

I am extremely pleased that it's not a decision I have had to make.

SueDonim my daughter also had to have the Hep B vaccine before she started any clinical work in the hospital where she trained to be a doctor.

I tried every year to get my District Nursing staff to have the 'flu jab with on partial success consequently high rates of sickness in January as they and their families became ill. HR were completely unhelpful. I think this is a very sensible decision.

My daughter is a nurse and she had to have a Hep B vaccine befor she was employed by the NHS

It's a slippery slope, isn't it, forcing people to have a vaccine?

My dd is a new medic and she had to have Hep B vaccines to work in certain areas. Also, because of her BCG/TB status (a complicated history) she is not allowed to treat anyone with TB.

I wonder if the family of a care home resident who caught and died from CV from an unvaccinated carer would be able to sue them?

I've heard of people getting discretionary sick pay, which I can only imagine being horribly divisive and causing more problems than it solves, but I think it is legal.

As for the vaccine being compulsory for care workers, I have posted before about when my son was born and we had a very distressing experience because a member of staff was not vaccinated. My son was briefly in SCU, as his birth was very difficult, and one of the SHOs had lied about having had the TB vaccination. The doctor was from abroad, and had contracted TB before coming to the UK. My son, along with all the other babies who had been in the SCU were recalled to hospital for X rays, blood tests and prophylactic medicine. He was just days old, and it was very distressing.

I would not wish that on anyone, or on their parents or children. It really has made me hardline when it comes to vaccines, which works against my natural 'live and let live' outlook.

Could be as a result of her absence record rather than the refusal to take the vaccine then. I would have thought that if someone is entitled to sick pay you can't withhold it because they don't take the vaccine. Not an expert though.

Alegrias1

^They put into place several months ago, no vaccination no job, and definitely no sick pay.^

Is that legal?

I suppose there are ways and ways of doing this, some of which are legal. Jobs do have special requirements - I wouldn't be too keen to sign the official secrets act at this moment. I thought there were certain vaccinations surgeons had to have. If so there must be a legal way.