Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

greenlady102

the people I know of who haven't had it have got BADLY impaired immune systems or a record of randomly reacting badly to stuff and in both cases they are generally frail and have taken specialist medical advice..I also know of a couple of people who had bad reactions to the first jab and were advised not to have a second. No anaphyllaxis. None of them are well enough to work at anything.

They really need the rest of us to have it to help protect them don't they.

No! Paranoia

So don’t work with vulnerable people. A bit like the ‘exempt’ from masks in UK,unknown elsewhere in Europe

Why oh why are you uneasy about this?

I'm really not comfortable with legislating over vaccine acceptance. The reality is that no one knows what the vaccine reaction over the longer term. It is possible that it will have a negative impact on all sorts of people. The other question that I have is what about the few people who have very serious reactions to the vaccines, are they guaranteed pay during any period that they are unable to work?

That said, I was a shielder, so extremely high risk if I caught Covid. I have had both doses of the vaccine, with no bad side effects, but remain concerned that I could react in the future, we simply don't know what the impact is......remember thalidomide?

Lucca, there are people who have a history of anaphylactic reactions with vaccines - it is contra-indicated for them to be vaccinated, as it could be potentially fatal.

There are also certain vaccine-specific contra-indications for specific vaccines (e.g. SCID - Severe Combined Immuno-deficiency is a contra-indication for the rotavirus vaccine; Encephalopathy occurring within 7 days of the pertussis vaccine is a contra-indication for further doses. Pertussis is whooping cough).

Alegrias1, I have inboxed you.

the people I know of who haven't had it have got BADLY impaired immune systems or a record of randomly reacting badly to stuff and in both cases they are generally frail and have taken specialist medical advice..I also know of a couple of people who had bad reactions to the first jab and were advised not to have a second. No anaphyllaxis. None of them are well enough to work at anything.

There are several mentions on here if people who can’t have the jab for medical reasons.
Can anyone give me examples ?

Oh dear.

There's always going to be cares who won't want it because they don't like being told they have to do something, some carers who think they'll let everyone else take the plunge get the vaccination and be covered that way ? the only ones l feel for are carers with a medical reason for not wanting to be vaccinated, the rest should lose their jobs imo if they're not willing to put the needs of those they care for first

As an ex Serviceman I find this utterly amusing.
On the day after I signed on and also signed the official secrets act we were all lined up. “Left arm, right arm, touch your toes”. I have no idea exactly how many ‘jabs’ we had that day, at least two in each arm and I think four in the buttocks, but no one questioned it, argued or complained. As usual with the RN, it was “if you can’t take a joke you shouldn't have joined”. We live in a right nanby pamby world now, don’t we!? And not one iota for the better either

Jaxjacky

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57481895

Not just care homes.
GrannyGravy13 in France children cannot attend school unless they provide proof of 11 vaccinations.

Yes I know, many Countries insist on children to be vaccinated as a condition of them starting school.

Are you an idiot Matt Hancock?

'I don't think so!'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57481895

Not just care homes.
GrannyGravy13 in France children cannot attend school unless they provide proof of 11 vaccinations.

Lots of medical/nursing/care staff already have to have certain vaccines it's a requirement of the profession Can't see the problem with having to have Covid ones as well

Oh dear, it was going so well until we got to the fourth point.

Anybody who feels the need to tell me that they are not an anti-vaxxer is probably an anti-vaxxer.

Matt Hancock is probably an idiot though.

Sorry, I don't have the time to read every single post, but there is a lot of misinformation here.

Firstly, it is unlawful to withhold sick pay regardless of whether the staff member declined to have the vaccine or not - whichever Nursing home did that can find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit.

Secondly, it is every single person's civic right to decline vaccines if they so wish.

Thirdly, Care workers are already very hard to come by as they are poorly paid and work under very stressful conditions. If you then make it compulsory to be vaccinated, they will leave in droves. That is NOT going to help granny and grand-dad in their care homes, left to starve and stew in their own excrement, as there aren't enough care workers to clean and bathe and feed them.

Fourthly, if care home RESIDENTS have been vaccinated, and the vaccines are allegedly 95% effective (as if!!!!), where is the need for STAFF to be vaccinated TOO? It's utter nonsense.

Fifthly, there is absolutely no comparison between the Hep B vaccine (which has been around for yonks) and the Covid vaccines (which arrived the day before yesterday). We do not know the long-term side-effects of the Covid vaccines. Other vaccines like BCG and Hep B have been around long enough for us not to worry about their safety profile long-term.

Sixthly, the vaccine industry and those who fund them have all become billionaires on the back of Covid. Do you really think they will admit that these vaccines are nowhere near as effective as claimed?

How did they come to the conclusion that they are "95% effective against Covid"? It is all nonsense. It's true that they stimulate antibodies and offer SOME degree of protection - but to state that they are 95% effective is a stretch.

12 of the 42 or so people in the Northwest who died of the Delta variant had been vaccinated with TWO doses - they still died. That is almost 30% of the cohort that died of the delta variant. The immediate response to this was that they had succumbed within two weeks of the second dose, and had not had adequate time to mount an immune response. But a short while ago they were telling us that even the FIRST dose of the vaccine offered significant protection! Now when it's not convenient, they look for excuses.

Don't believe everything the so-called scientists and politicians say - they all have vested interests.

As for care homes, watch Matt Hancock backpedal furiously and lift the injunction on compulsory vaccinations, as care homes plunge into an even worse crisis as staff leave rather than be coerced into vaccination.

This is a poorly thought-out strategy with disastrous consequences for the Care home industry.

The only way is to persuade people to be vaccinated rather than force them.

Matt Hancock really is an idiot.

DOI: Not an anti-vaxxer.

OK, I'll ask again.

Why is it OK for the medically exempt to care for people in care homes but not people who decide not to have the jab? Or should they lose their jobs as well, due to a medical condition they can do nothing about?

The medically exempt could still carry and pass on the virus, same as those who have decided not to have it. So is it only the people you think are selfish and/or stupid that need to lose their jobs?

does anybody know if it is compulsory for nhs staff?

I support it. My lovely 96 year old ex neighbour is in a care home and I'd hate for a carer to put her life at risk. As others have said, if a carer is not happy having the jab then there are other jobs.

If my parents were alive and in a care home I would hope they were being cared for by vaccinated staff. My friend's mother and another friend's hubby both died in hospital after contracting Covid while in there for heart problems. If people choose a caring profession why don't they care about maybe spreading the virus to the elderly.

Galaxy

Indeed those working on minimum wage in often really difficult conditions will have a sound understanding of epidemiology.

To be fair galaxy, quite a few of my daughters support workers are degree educated. Not all of them but the senior ones are. The ones from the commonwealth are generally qualified nurses too working in care whilst topping up their qualifications prior to working in the NHS.

Not before time, but I know there are a number of Carers in a local home who have refused to have a vaccine.

Indeed those working on minimum wage in often really difficult conditions will have a sound understanding of epidemiology.

I would worry about the level of understanding of science of those who simply refuse to have the jab. Would it impact on the rest of their caring role? Do they understand about contamination? What ‘airborne aerosols’’ means? Difference between viral and bacterial etc. How much epidemiology do they understand? Can they interpret graphs and understand statistics and basic probability? How exactly have they come to their decision?