Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Galaxy

Sorry that response was to Janejudge, I am not joining in the conspiracy stuff

there have been a lot of issues raised with respect to human rights and how they are interpreted throughout this which hasn't been helped by the coronavirus act

JaneJudge ALL care workers wear all that gear -I know because I worked as a carer up until last year. Hospital staff and VISITORS wear all that. My sister-in-law is in hospital, in a dementia ward (not a clinical ward, nobody there is physically ill) and I've had to wear a mask, apron and gloves to see her, despite there being only 1 visitor per bay of 6 beds.

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

Biscuitmuncher

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

Not Amberone, but I certainly don't trust the government when it comes to their competence or basic humanity; but there's not a binary choice between trusting them and thinking that they are part of a global conspiracy to drag the world back to the middle ages.

When I went into teaching, it was customary to be inoculated against tuberculosis. I don't know if that's still the case. No-one questioned the sense of that. Therefore I don't understand why people working in care homes would question being vaccinated against covid.

Biscuitmuncher

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

It's not just our government that is wanting to vaccinate, Biscuitmuncher. It's the whole world. We are hoping to vaccinate everyone. Can you explain why all governments want to vaccinate the population? How do you think they will benefit? Why would any country want to have all these lockdowns for? You people really baffle me.

Talullah being vaccinated against a disease so horrendous most people don't know they've got it!

Biscuitmuncher . I’ll just repeat here what Monica said

“Tell me biscuitmuncher If you were frail and in care or someone very dear to you was old and frail and in care, would you be happy to know that several of the carers looking after you had not been vaccinated against COVID and could give you the disease or your loved one a disease that has a high chance of proving fatal?

Please do not duck this question, the way most vaccine denier/doubters do. Prove you are not another of the gutless womders.”

Biscuitmuncher

Talullah being vaccinated against a disease so horrendous most people don't know they've got it!

Are you seriously pretending Covid doesn’t exist ?
Have you talked to a medically qualified person about your concerns about the vaccine?
Why are you against it, you still haven’t said.

PinkCakes

JaneJudge ALL care workers wear all that gear -I know because I worked as a carer up until last year. Hospital staff and VISITORS wear all that. My sister-in-law is in hospital, in a dementia ward (not a clinical ward, nobody there is physically ill) and I've had to wear a mask, apron and gloves to see her, despite there being only 1 visitor per bay of 6 beds.

I’m trying again to get an answer. What is your objection to the vaccination ? Are you pretending Covid hasn’t killed thousands of people in this country alone ?

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

Lucca I'm not an anti vaccer, I've had all my vaccinations so have my children but I'm absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I'm not frightened of covid.

Biscuitmuncher

Lucca I'm not an anti vaccer, I've had all my vaccinations so have my children but I'm absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I'm not frightened of covid.

Why the fear of the vaccine? Where has this come from? Anecdotal evidence from friends who have felt ill afterwards? The evidence proves that becoming ill/dying from Covid is far less likely than any issues with the vaccine. I have my own anecdotal evidence. I know 3 people who died of Covid. Two family members. Their deaths were horrendous. Alone, unable to breathe. Eventually put on ventilators. An awful death. I have friends who work in the NHS. End of life wards where young trainee nurses sat with the dying. You are choosing your fear. But the risks of the disease are so much worse than risks from vaccines. You're not frightened of Covid? If you remain unvaccinated, you should be.

Visgir1

My sister is a Peripatetic Nurse manager for a Care Home group, ensuring standards and CQC requirements.
They put into place several months ago, no vaccination no job, and definitely no sick pay.
They advised all staff to get it otherwise, they are breaking there updated guidelines, notice and a time frame was given per employment law . Those who refuse left their posts, apparently only a couple of them across the group.
One nurse kicked up a fuss she was aware of the new terms, she continued to refused, they reiterate the need.
Before anything else could take place with her she got Covid. Due to all the advise in place she wanted to do it her way, so they refused to pay her sick any pay.

If she is entitled to statutory sick pay they don't have the choice.

If the care home get infection control grants they are supposed to pay staff to self isolate. I work in a care home and know they have had the funding, if I was refused sick pay I'd be talking to my union.

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

Well bully for you. Some of us have lost people from covid or know people that are suffering from long covid. How insensitive…..

PinkCakes

JaneJudge ALL care workers wear all that gear -I know because I worked as a carer up until last year. Hospital staff and VISITORS wear all that. My sister-in-law is in hospital, in a dementia ward (not a clinical ward, nobody there is physically ill) and I've had to wear a mask, apron and gloves to see her, despite there being only 1 visitor per bay of 6 beds.

That is not the case any more. I visited my mum in her care home today, I did a LFT on arrival then waited for the result. I then only needed to wear a visor, no apron, mask or gloves as the managers at the home believe that human contact with visitors is important to people with dementia. I can hold mums hand, hug her and even kiss her goodbye.

This home have not lost any residents through Covid although some residents did catch it, mum included, last November but luckily none were seriously ill.

All residents bar one, my mum, have been vaccinated but unfortunately my mum refused, told the doctor to bugger off, and despite her lack of capacity, are not allowed to hold her down to force her to have the jab - thank goodness!

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

I don’t want anyone going into my mums care home who is not tested for Covid, it’s not asking a lot and is not an invasive procedure but I think the residents have the right to be protected.

Teacheranne if they've had their vaccine then they're protected

PinkCakes

Doodledog You've hears "Build back better"? All world leaders are saying it. It's to do with Agenda 21. Google it. Johnson himself gave a speech recently, in which he said he hoped every person in the WORLD will be vaccinated by the end of next year.

Good grief! When I was a child, my parents used to buy me comics and I believed in fantasies too. Get real PinkCakes!

Biscuitmuncher

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

The two don't need to go together. I trust my own judgment and evaluation of the situation. I don't trust the government, but that doesn't mean it's always wrong.

Why are anti-vaxx/lockdown people so arrogant and think they have some superior knowledge the rest of us are lacking? They're clones of each other in their thinking and their arguments. It's pathetic.

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

Dream on Biscuitmuncher! You're living in lalaland.

Biscuitmuncher

Lucca I'm not an anti vaccer, I've had all my vaccinations so have my children but I'm absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I'm not frightened of covid.

Aha! So you're terrified? Don't transfer that fear to other people, just because you can't cope with it. Most of us are quite rational and haven't been brainwashed by lizards.

Hows it all working out for you all , blindly doing as your told

Biscuitmuncher

Teacheranne if they've had their vaccine then they're protected

Biscuitmuncher you don't seem to understand . Yes, many of the care home residents will have had their vaccines. Those brave old people taking a vaccine that you refuse to take o-0
But you must remember that you can still catch and pass on Covid. Albeit on a much lighter scale. People may well have a much milder version and won\t need hospitalisation but it can still be transmissible. So there is no guarantee a carer won't be able to pass the virus on, even if everyone has had the vaccine.You seem to want everyone to be vaccinated to keep you safe. How does that sit with you? My hairdresser wasn't keen but when he saw his clients start to leave what did he do? Had the vaccine. And he's fine. As is everyone I know who's had it. A couple of people felt a bit achey, a few more spoke of sore arms but nothing worth worrying about.

Biscuitmuncher

Hows it all working out for you all , blindly doing as your told

And what does. that mean? Blindly doing as we're told? What on earth do you mean. Nobody told me to have the jab. I went of my awn accord. My 24 year old daughter is having hers on Friday. So what will happen if all us vaccinated souls turn into lizards? What will the few of you do?