Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Hello again PinkCakes and BiscuitMuncher,
Could you please just kindly send me a couple of decent links please?
I’d like to understand where you’re coming from.
Thank you

Well we’ve all asked questions politely…..

I've given up with this thread - the majority of people on it are patronising, blinkered, and completely brainwashed. No hope for them. Stay watching the BBC, keep your face nappy on, wash your hands 20 times a day, obey all the rules.

Again - if the masks, hand-washing, safe distancing, lockdowns, and vaccines all work, what have you got to fear?

But why don’t you educate us then ? Answer our questions, you must have some evidence for what you believe ?

Asking for evidence is not being patronising.

Saying “wear your face nappy” however, is.

PinkCakes

I've given up with this thread - the majority of people on it are patronising, blinkered, and completely brainwashed. No hope for them. Stay watching the BBC, keep your face nappy on, wash your hands 20 times a day, obey all the rules.

Again - if the masks, hand-washing, safe distancing, lockdowns, and vaccines all work, what have you got to fear?

Those of us who wear our masks, keep a safe distance and are vaccinated have very little to fear. That's why we carry on with what we're doing. And why it's nonsense to claim that people are "scared", which is what some try to claim.

Problems are caused because some people have no choice but to go to school (either as a pupil or staff) or work in another environment where it's not possible to work safely. Many of them are too young to be vaccinated and they need protecting by keeping incidence rates low. Low incidence rates will also slow the rate of mutations. I believe that those of us who can take mitigation measures should do so.

Further problems are caused by those who wilfully ignore all safety measures. They're perfectly entitled to ignore advice, but they also have a duty to keep themselves away from anybody else.

Lucca

Asking for evidence is not being patronising.

Saying “wear your face nappy” however, is.

Be kind Lucca. Some people have a problem with vocabulary.

PinkCakes

I've given up with this thread - the majority of people on it are patronising, blinkered, and completely brainwashed. No hope for them. Stay watching the BBC, keep your face nappy on, wash your hands 20 times a day, obey all the rules.

Again - if the masks, hand-washing, safe distancing, lockdowns, and vaccines all work, what have you got to fear?

No hope of what?

maddyone DH was rushed to hospital in early November and needed urgent heart surgery. Complications meant that he wasn't discharged until early January. When he was admitted to hospital, to a large world ranking cardiac unit, the unit was dealing with cardiac cases on all three floors, and nothing else.

Bt the time he was discharged most of the unit was being used for COVID cases. This included half his ward, which was hermetically sealed from the rest. After his sudden and hasty discharge the whole ward was made a COVID ward.

Some people did photograph some of the empty corridors and outpatients waiting rooms as evidence that the hospital was not overwhelmed. But as all outpatients clinics had been cancelled because of the dangers of infection, it is not surprising the clinics were empty, there were also no staff in the photos either, because all were working on the wards.

What they did not photograph were the car parks. As the second wave progressed, the hospital extended the amount of staff parking, by gradually turning all the visitors carparks, bar the smalles, into staff car parks and they were all full, showing that there were many more staff in the hospital than normal and they were far too busy on the wards to be swanning around the corridors and lounging around in empty outpatient's departments.

There are those ignorant or dismissive of facts, ignorant or dismissive of how to quote accurately and ignorant or dismissive of other opinions than theirs - especially dismissing those who are expert in this area. When you get to this stage it becomes a faith rather than a fact-based opinion.

I think the only thing you can do at this point is to tell such people we will be there for them if they realise what they are caught up in.

PippaZ I think you are right, it is a faith, or possibly more of a cult.

Thank you Monica for supporting what I said. I know that people such as your husband still received necessary care, as my elderly mother also did, after she fell and sustained a head injury. No one was turned away, but that doesn’t mean that the hospital wasn’t full of Covid patients, as PinkCakes suggested. As I said, there were over 500 Covid patients in the hospital at the same time that I was in hospital. How PinkCakes can possibly think that 500 plus Covid patients in one hospital is not ‘overwhelming’ or ‘full’ is beyond me.

Incidentally I had to wait in an ambulance queue when I arrived. I waited about two hours to be admitted because there were so many people being admitted with Covid. I was already on oxygen in the ambulance and nurses and doctors regularly came out to see me, take blood, etc. I was never left alone, the paramedics were with me the entire time. I think ambulance queues suggests very busy hospitals doesn’t it?

Calling a mask " a face nappy" seems to be something that the folk who don't actually believe covid is real say. I've heard it a bit from those people IRL. It does come across rude and ignorant as I see wearing a mask as protecting others from my germs.

I don't know why people are still perpetuating the myth that covid is a made up illness. Of course, those people won't use any type of protection for a disease they don't believe in. Surprisingly even though some covid deniers have become ill and died, they still don't seem to believe it's a real threat- just that people who have had the injection are the problem! How?! I would like to see serious evidence and proof of these "beliefs".

How are the injected and those who take precautions to keep themselves and others healthy, a threat?

PippaZ

There are those ignorant or dismissive of facts, ignorant or dismissive of how to quote accurately and ignorant or dismissive of other opinions than theirs - especially dismissing those who are expert in this area. When you get to this stage it becomes a faith rather than a fact-based opinion.

I think the only thing you can do at this point is to tell such people we will be there for them if they realise what they are caught up in.

You are right. It is a cult because they are teaching people to turn away from their family and friends if they do not do what THEY want them to and that is the mark of a cult- separating people from their loved ones and controlling them. They are brainwashed. They can't see it. And yet, they say WE are controlled with fear. Ha!

These people cannot handle it if people won't do what they say, so they either control them or block them. They live in an Echo chamber, poor things.

PinkCakes it is because we are taking all the precautions and are vaccinated that most of us are not fearful.

I am going about my normal life, seeing my friends, visiting my family, we have builders in at present extending our house. I am doing all my usual activities and even waiting, passport in hand to get back to France and our holiday home there. No fear here. Just sensible precautions against infection.

If you want us to see the world your way you need to explain why your way is the right way, so many of us have asked you do that again and again and again and you just will not. Why won't you?

This thread is quite upsetting to me because PinkCakes spouts exactly the same non evidenced beliefs as my younger sister, and I found that trying to counteract with actual scientific evidence just entrenched her “beliefs”. The final straw came last year when my sister illegally travelled from a lockdown area (train and taxi) to visit my 96 year old housebound mother who wasn’t yet vaccinated. I asked her to leave and she hasn’t spoken to me since. I am anxious that she may appear again unannounced at my mother’s at any time, won’t have had any vaccines, wear masks or socially distance,

Greeneyedgirl I can fully understand how you feel, it must be very worrying, but, hopefully, by now, your mother will have had both her jabs and is protected from the dangerous actions of your sister, or anyone else she comes in contact with.

The only person now at risk is your sister.

As a nurse , had to have Anti hepatitis vaccinations, and the swine flu vaccine was mandatory. As a young cadet nurse had to have smallpox inoculation, polio booster and had to be checked for TB again. So nothing new here. Education is the key, and reassurance from more knowledgeable people re reproduction effects, which was stated as one cause of not having the vaccine. BMJ has produced a paper on this

Alegrias1

^They put into place several months ago, no vaccination no job, and definitely no sick pay.^

Is that legal?

All doctors and surgeons have to be vaccinated against Hepatitis so why not care home staff against Covid? Though I have to say it's a bit stable door/bolted, isn't it? The damage has been done in care homes and now surely the inmates are vaccinated, aren't they?

Sorry, I don't have the energy today to read all 8 pages of comments but if anyone is struggling to understand the brainwashed anti-vaxxers, the channel 4 documentary "The Anti-vax Conspiracy" sets out who is spreading deliberate misinformation and how they're profiting from their "followers". it really is a Cult. (Now available on All4) Also the Panorama documentary "Vaccines: The Disinformation War in the UK" now available on iPlayer. Neither of course will be watched by anti-vaxxers because they only want confirmation of their fears; the last thing they want is facts to disprove them.

Paperbackwriter

Alegrias1

They put into place several months ago, no vaccination no job, and definitely no sick pay.

Is that legal?

All doctors and surgeons have to be vaccinated against Hepatitis so why not care home staff against Covid? Though I have to say it's a bit stable door/bolted, isn't it? The damage has been done in care homes and now surely the inmates are vaccinated, aren't they?

I don't think its legal to withhold sick pay if you are entitled to it.

Others think there may be round it.

If I'd tried to withhold sick pay from my staff when I was working, I'd have been at a tribunal quick as you like.

I work in a care home and it should be noted that regardless of vaccine status we are tested 1-3 times a week.

As it is becoming compulsory for the staff so it should be for the resident, their families and visitors. The staff too need to remain safe. The management must be made accountable for providing safe PPE. Its going to be a nightmare. Before anyone says any thing I have had both my vaccinations and worked in health care for nearly 40 years.

Only in England