Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

PinkCakes I agree that it’s dreadful that there are so many people awaiting urgent surgery, but can’t you see that the vaccination programme is the only way to free up hospitals and enable them to get on top of the other illnesses and treatment?

If we had no vaccines hospitals would still be full of sick elderly covid patients and the numbers you quoted awaiting surgery would be a hell of a lot higher.

What exactly is your main worry about the vaccines? What do you fear it might do to you?
Have you discussed these fears with a medical professional you trust?

Gosh Lucca ! It’s becoming a habit isn’t it!

One of the more irritating characteristics of people such as biscuitmuncher is the assumption that (a) the rest of us are incapable of doing our own research, weighing up facts and statistics and thus making our decision as to whether we do/do not have the covid19 vaccination. Very few of us, myself included, have had this vaccination because the government told us to, in fact in my case, advise to do anything by Johnson and his chums makes me do even more research! and (b) that somehow biscuitmuncher ( and my god daughter too) have somehow been 'chosen' to be enlightened, are the only ones capable of research, and somehow have the intelligence and enlightenment that the rest of us do not. So, I fully respect your decision not to have the vaccine, but please do not offend those of us who have chosen to have it.

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Biscuitmuncher and PinkCakes
I'm still interested to hear where you get your information from.

You say that we shouldn't read newspapers; watch TV; the usual MSM stuff.

Both Lucca and I have asked you multiple times
Thank you

There are certain key words and phrases promulgated by conspiracy theorists. "Doing our own research" is one. It does not mean checking out peer-reviewed scientific papers or scrutinising reliable data - it means spending hours on the internet and in dubious chatrooms going further and further down the rabbit hole.

I am another with a back list of unanswered questions. I have even put links in some of my posts to encourage them to do likewise, but without avail.

As far as I am concerned unsupported and uncorroborated evidence is no evidence at all.

My DH has a comment he used to some times make (very kindly) of my mother

she has made up her mind, do not confuse her with facts I think this applies to these two (and a few other posters).

PinkCakes

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

5,122,000,000 people? Are you sure? Is that in the whole world?

well pinkcakes if there are thirty zillion people awaiting hospital treatment you had better get your covid vaccine so that you don't take up a much needed ICU bed.

We know that fear feeds on suspicion and ignorance. Some people avoid knowlege, they avoid engaging in conversation and prefer to ”know what I know and that's all I need to know.” I believe there is even a name for it: Epistemophobia.

Well I’d be happy to know where PinkCakes and Biscuit get the information from.

I do currently believe that the vaccine is ok, and I have had mine, based on the evidence I’ve read but if there is info out there that says otherwise I would read it. I have listened to YouTube links sent to me by a friend so why wouldn’t I read what Pink and Biscuit offer?

There is no need for anyone to be rude. It would be better to explore the info, in my opinion, then we can discuss it.

There are some very rude, ignorant and downright nasty people on here. That's ok, I know why they're like it.

The figures I gave about the people waiting to start hospital treatments are correct.

I'm not afraid of having the jab, I simply see no good reason to have it when the recovery rate is 99 %.

The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed or full of Covid patients. The Nightingale hospitals were never used, a waste of billions, and they were dismantled.

Ask yourself these questions:
Why haven't funeral directors and crematoriums been overwhelmed with "work"? Why haven't we seen people sneezing and coughing all over the place?

If masks, social distancing, hand gels, tests, lockdowns, and now the vaccines all work, why are so many sheep worried about unvaccinated people? You're all protected, aren't you?

Wake up.

Hello Pinkcakes!
Can you point me to where your info is coming from please?

The figures I gave about the people waiting to start hospital treatments are correct.

No, PinkCakes they are not. You were using the continental standard for expressing thousands (comma instead of full stop) but I know what you meant. You also conflated the numbers on the waiting list and the numbers waiting for more than one year, which makes it look far worse than it is. So you are completely twisting and misrepresenting the facts of the article you quoted.

Like the others, if you have evidence I'd be happy to look at it.

My BiL is the manager of a large regional crematorium. I can assure you he hasn't been sitting around looking for work in the last 15 months. You haven't seen people sneezing and coughing because the vast majority of people self isolate straight away when they have symptoms - because they have a sense of civic duty. Unlike some.

The figures I gave about the people waiting to start hospital treatments are correct.

No, PinkCakes they are not. You were using a comma instead of a full stop but I know what you meant. You also conflated the numbers on the waiting list and the numbers waiting for more than one year, which makes it look far worse than it is. So you are completely twisting and misrepresenting the facts of the article you quoted.

Like the others, if you have evidence I'd be happy to look at it.

My BiL is the manager of a large regional crematorium. I can assure you he hasn't been sitting around looking for work in the last 15 months. You haven't seen people sneezing and coughing because the vast majority of people self isolate straight away when they have symptoms - because they have a sense of civic duty. Unlike some.

Sorry - double post, I'll get one deleted.

The information is all there online. You simply need to look. For the people waiting for hospital treatments, I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

I'm not bothered about anyone's opinion of me, I appreciate that many people have believed all the scaremongering. I'm able to think for myself and not follow the crowd just because men in suits tell me to.

Have a look at the photographs of the G7 meeting. No masks, no social distancing, they're all there on the beach - whilst telling us what to do.

I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

So did I. Then I read the article properly.

PinkCakes

The information is all there online. You simply need to look. For the people waiting for hospital treatments, I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

I'm not bothered about anyone's opinion of me, I appreciate that many people have believed all the scaremongering. I'm able to think for myself and not follow the crowd just because men in suits tell me to.

Have a look at the photographs of the G7 meeting. No masks, no social distancing, they're all there on the beach - whilst telling us what to do.

But why will you not answer anyone’s questions?
For example what is the benefit to all these governments in pretending Covid exists and is dangerous?

Why on earth would a government impose a lockdown if it wasn’t necessary? We all know how damaging it is to the economy.

If you say we shouldn’t read the newspapers or watch tv news where are you getting your information from?

Please do us the courtesy of answering some of these points

When I was in hospital with Covid, there were more than 500 patients in the hospital, all with Covid. I don’t know about the hospital not being ‘overwhelmed or full’ but it seemed pretty full to me. It seemed pretty full to the staff too. They were 40% understaffed at that time as well because many staff were sick with Covid or self isolating.

Thank you to those of you who thanked me for writing my experience of having Covid and being in hospital. Sadly it appears to have gone unnoticed by the people who really need to notice it.

PinkCakes

The information is all there online. You simply need to look. For the people waiting for hospital treatments, I typed in "people waiting for hospital treatments in UK"

I'm not bothered about anyone's opinion of me, I appreciate that many people have believed all the scaremongering. I'm able to think for myself and not follow the crowd just because men in suits tell me to.

Have a look at the photographs of the G7 meeting. No masks, no social distancing, they're all there on the beach - whilst telling us what to do.

Cornwall has 25 cluster hotspots after sharp rise in coronavirus cases

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-25-cluster-hotspots-after-5538592

*Pinkcakes. I quote you Some people on here really need to stop watching the news on tv, stop reading the papers, and actually realise what's happening.

My question is: How does the news in newspapers and on tv differ from what is available online, given that all use the same sources? For example, the BBC publishes the same news whether you watch on tv or read it online. The same applies to the newspapers.

Another question; if hospital waiting lists have grown so large, why is this? Is it because NHS doctors nurses etc all decided to have a sabbatical and stop working for a year, or is it because there was a sudden surge in other illnesses that had to take priority, if so what was that illness?

Another question: I accept totally in the sincerity with which you hold your views and your complet belief that the rest of us are entirely wrong. In which case when we ask you questions, like these here, about evidence for all the claims you make, references to published reports, peer reviewed articles from institutions held in respect, including those supporting alternative views to the majority, why are you so unwilling to do so.

Why when we are so interested in your views, when you do actually quote figures from a government report do you distort the figures in a way that is obvious to anyone who checks your source?

Please, we are interested in your views and you may be right, but we need the evidence and you are not providing it.

Alegrias1 Civic duty?

varian Your point about the rise in Covid cases in Cornwall is what?

Pink cakes. Looking forward to your answers to my questions and Monica’s