Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Kali2

Oh I am sure he fully understood- but thought he would sign and renegotiate later and that the EU would bend to his ridiculous demands.

So when people say he is intelligent- really, I can't agree. No-one would sign a Treaty that took so long, so much negotiating, and so much expert advice- would sign for short-term personaly gain and scupper the country.

This is how I feel.

So rare that someone agrees with me- thanks

Honestly, I think Johnson and his Cabinet know that Brexit is an utter disaster and that their gamble to sign and then go back and request later changes has failed abysmally. But they just can't admit it ... so will go on, hell bent on destruction and s*d everyone else. They will be found out, and I don't think it will be that long either. As said before, when the public turns, it will turn fast and hard.

But the opposition has to be ready. If a large section of Labout continue to refuse to back Starmer and agree to some alliances, then ... I have no idea what next.

Johnson will get his come uppance, and all who sail in him and with him.

I too agree with you and I think that there are many others on here who do too.

I mostly agree with you kali but I'm not so sure that the public will soon turn on him. He's been found put so many times but he always seems to get away with it.

Found out, but they don't seem to care

Those of us who wanted to remain were like Cassandra, doesn't make it any better to be able to say I told you so. So many people forgot or didn't know what it was like before we joined the common market

Didn't know is what it was all about.

Be far the most stupid and ridiculous statement which I have heard repeated time and time again over the last five years is "we knew exactly what we were voting for"

They did not have the first clue what they were voting for.

If they had known they would never have voted for it.

I see the bill which basically curbs the right to peaceful protest has gone through the Commons.

Just another little benefit of leaving the EU — this of course will only affect those of us living in France but maybe the whole EU. I bought some outfits for my DGD’s young baby. I wrapped them up etc and took them to the local PO and the woman on duty sort of ran me out of the place telling me to go to the website and fill in the papers and take them back to her. Up till now they have had any necessary forms in the PO. So I looked and not only were there pages and pages to fill in but the cost was extortionate.
I looked around and finally decided to send by UPS and filled in their now simplified forms stating it was a gift worth less than €70 and weighing less than 1kg. - I gave them the exact weight/size and value. I checked the form several times and eventually printed out the label which does state it is a gift etc and the value. They have sent to DGD to say it is held up waiting for more info from the sender but not asked me for the info! A French woman rang me this morning and said she would send an email which has not arrived. I have now spent several hours perusing their site and eventually finding a section which allowed me to email them and now wait to see what they want.
Such joy spending the afternoon doing this.!!

So sorry *Welshwife" We did not want this, but what can we do?

46.5 billion - that is a lot of money, on top of what Brexit has cost in 1000s of ways so far.

ooops 47.5 billion

Welshwife

I see the bill which basically curbs the right to peaceful protest has gone through the Commons.

Just another little benefit of leaving the EU — this of course will only affect those of us living in France but maybe the whole EU. I bought some outfits for my DGD’s young baby. I wrapped them up etc and took them to the local PO and the woman on duty sort of ran me out of the place telling me to go to the website and fill in the papers and take them back to her. Up till now they have had any necessary forms in the PO. So I looked and not only were there pages and pages to fill in but the cost was extortionate.
I looked around and finally decided to send by UPS and filled in their now simplified forms stating it was a gift worth less than €70 and weighing less than 1kg. - I gave them the exact weight/size and value. I checked the form several times and eventually printed out the label which does state it is a gift etc and the value. They have sent to DGD to say it is held up waiting for more info from the sender but not asked me for the info! A French woman rang me this morning and said she would send an email which has not arrived. I have now spent several hours perusing their site and eventually finding a section which allowed me to email them and now wait to see what they want.
Such joy spending the afternoon doing this.!!

Ah well, that’s French bureaucracy for you !
Send vouchers or a cheque in future so that your DGD can choose what she wants?Much easier and better all round in any case.

There will still be the right for peaceful protest in the UK btw.

It's not French bureaucracy- it is the British choice to not be part of a group that has indeed got rid of bureaucracy between themselves - yep the Customs Union. A choice the British made, a bad one btw.

Another Brexit casualty. Alex Polizzi is unable to recruit staff for her hotel and she is having to serve behind the bar. Apparently she voted to Leave but didn't think it would be this bad. If you don't know who she is - she's The Hotel Inspector on tv and the granddaughter of Lord Forte. If someone of her background and education (St Catherine's, Oxford) didn't think how Brexit could be such a disaster what hope was there for the less well educated?

Welshwife Before 1 January 2021 we did not have to complete the customs declarations to send parcels from France to the UK. I agree it's difficult navigating the La Poste website to find and complete the forms - French bureaucracy.

When is Boris Johnson ever going to be held accountable for his barefaced lies????

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"Send vouchers or a cheque in future so that your DGD can choose what she wants?Much easier and better all round in any case".
Actually lemongrove I can't agree with you there. A gift carefully and personally chosen for a new great-grandchild is an expression of love isn't it?

Exactly Mamie. I specifically chose things which do not look as if they come from Marks or Next etc. They all have a little French flavour. As it happens I have already sent money and a mobile was purchased and also DD has shopped for me but these are things I chose as I was out and about.

Dinahmo

Another Brexit casualty. Alex Polizzi is unable to recruit staff for her hotel and she is having to serve behind the bar. Apparently she voted to Leave but didn't think it would be this bad. If you don't know who she is - she's The Hotel Inspector on tv and the granddaughter of Lord Forte. If someone of her background and education (St Catherine's, Oxford) didn't think how Brexit could be such a disaster what hope was there for the less well educated?

Grandaddy Rocco is a a prominent Tory supporter and despite his depleted means these days still supports the cause, poor Alex having to work for a living.
Regarding Brexit, you don’t have to have a privileged education to make the right judgment, in any negotiation or power struggle you pick the winner, it was pretty clear to me that 26 to 1 was an odds on winner and we were going to get nowt.

It's far too soon to judge the effects of Brexit - oh, and impossible to disentangle them from the devastating economic impact (and major changes) of a terrible world pandemic - yet still some folk will try!

Far to soon Hetty, but can you name one positive gain, maybe we can make up for some of the losses - someday .

Having just returned this week from a few days away in a luxury hotel (as featured on TV in the most luxurious hotels in the world) the staff were definitely international, sommelier’s from Sicily and Latvia, Restaurant Managers from France and U.K., waiting/bar staff U.K., Spain, Italy, Poland. These are just the nationalities we observed/came in contact with. Maybe Ms Polizzi should pay the going rate or ask for some advice?

"bumps along the road to brexit "

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000xpcm/panorama-brexit-six-months-on

"It is important to deconstruct the false arguments made by Brexiteers. Yet, the really shocking thing is that in Brexitland a loss of 7,500 jobs and the move of £900bn in bank assets out of the country is considered good news, because it is not as bad as some – arguably not without political motives – said it might be.

We are hence debating the size of the self-inflicted wound
rather than who wounded us in the first place.

Indeed, it is not clear why the benchmark for judging whether Brexit is a success or a disaster should be the Remainers’ predictions about how bad it could get, rather than the many promises Brexiteers have been quietly dropped, abandoned, or turned out to be wrong at various stages of the process. Had Brexit really been an incontestably ‘good thing’ as promised, of course Brexiteers would not have to use this type of discursive strategies.

Yet, in Brexitland the onus has been reversed so that now Remainers were wrong because things are not as bad as they thought they would be. Worse still, that assessment is made a mere 100 days after Brexit, based on one single data point (‘See, exports bounced back in February!’), on exceedingly low expectations (‘See, only 7500 jobs were lost in the City!’), or completely neglect any realistic timeline within which some of Brexits’ worst consequences might materialise (‘See, Scotland is still part of the UK!’).

The reversal of the onus allows Brexiteers to celebrate a monthly loss of around £1.7bn of exports, a 5% decline in trade, or the loss of 7,5000 jobs like a victory."

Gerhard Schnyder

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