Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Mind you we dont have sufficient troops to cover the shortage of ex-European drivers, because the government has cut the army??.

The government has confirmed that it is ready to deploy the army to get food onto shelves.

Reason?

Brexit

PippaZ

Now they have MaizieD. Were they so keen when it meant children had to go to school and not work in the fields or the mills, etc?

Perhaps they will eventually get the message on raising the general level of education for everyone - not just preparing them for a particular job. I won't hold my breath while I wait though.

The parents of the children who had to go to school and couldn't earn money by working in factories and in fields weren't too keen either. If those ancestors from 150 years ago could be brought back to life, I wonder what they'd think of some of their descendants' working in offices or being bosses, as a direct result of improved education.

Just read this story-
I wanted to order a crystal vase and send to Italy as a wedding present. On phone to British company who said they could send said vase to Italy but the recipient would have to pay a tax on it. I didn’t think that would make a great present, so I said “is it because of Brexit?” No answer - Brexit supporters will never admit anything negative about Brexit. What I did - I phoned a company in Dublin supplying Waterford Crystal - they were happy to post to Italy and take my money - no tax to pay. British company lost that business.

Now they have MaizieD. Were they so keen when it meant children had to go to school and not work in the fields or the mills, etc?

Perhaps they will eventually get the message on raising the general level of education for everyone - not just preparing them for a particular job. I won't hold my breath while I wait though.

'Get on your bike' and 'get a proper job' - as said on another thread!

and 'let them eat cake'

what a farce this is all becoming!

I would guess they are still against teaching everyone to read.

Strangely enough that is the one tiny area of education that the tories have genuinely tried to improve. The rest is a mess.

As I keep saying, to listen to Conservatives, I would guess they are still against teaching everyone to read. After all, women and servants don't need it as they need them to do the jobs no entitled Conservative would want to do.

Andrew Bridgen seems to think it was okay for him to go to have taken up the opportunity to go to university himself.

In the meantime, the delightful and sharp as an axe Andrew Bridgen says the shortage of HGV drivers is all the fault of Tony Blair, for encouraging youngsters from working class background to go to University. Just incredibly stupid!

GrannyGravy13

Conservatives closed 160 mines
Labour closed 290 mines.

Well, actually..

Since WW2:

Labour closed a total of 371 deep mines
Conservatives closed a total of 584 deep mines
Coalition govt closed 2

The salient point about Thatcher's closures is that they were a greater percentage of the total mines operating in the UK and they put more people out of work than did previous Labour closures.

According to the National Archive (not, I think, a biased source) many mines that were uneconomical or nearing being worked out, were kept going until the 60s because there was actually a national shortage of coal. As other fuel sources (oil and gas) became more widely available of course many mines were closed. MacMillan closed 246 deep mines...

And many closures were of worked out small mines. The Durham coalfield, where I live, is covered with mining settlements (or completely obliterated settlements) where the mines were worked out and closed over the 60s and 70s. Hard to get indignant about the closure of worked out mines...

While Thatcher was busy closing the deep mines and miners losing their jobs, the UK was importing coal from eastern Europe, notably Poland, so her motives were as much political (1984 Miners' Strike, anyone?) as practical.

Quoting figures proves very little unless the context is understood.

Comprehensive figures here. These 'nerd' type websites are usually very well researched.

www.healeyhero.co.uk/rescue/individual/Bob_Bradley/PM-Closures.html

Actually lemongrove, I wasn't referring to GN when I mentioned Brexit supporters, I meant the press, politicians, all those people who promised the fantasy that you voted for. Read the thread regarding my comments about Mr Baker.

Ex-miner Mike Clark has no doubts. “It was political,” he says firmly. Margaret Thatcher – the Conservative Prime Minister at the time – “she would do everything she could to break the working class of Great Britain. That’s why she decided to close the pits. Don’t forget that at the time, the coal mines were publicly-owned. It was a nationalized industry.”

It was political revenge. Nothing more, nothing less. Johnson is a sandwich short of a picnic if he thinks he can rewrite history in the way he is trying to do. But there are always those for whom being a Conservative is more important than the historical truth or the people who suffered and whose communities still suffer. Levelling up. Don't make me laugh. He has no idea.

It wasn't just that Thatcher "closed" the mines it was how she did it and, as Maybe said, what was done to bring other employment to the areas. Thatcher punished the mining communities. As far as I am aware Labour did not.

It isn’t just a case of who closed more mines. It’s down to whether or not the party closing the mines did anything to provide alternative employment for the miners who lost their jobs. Now, I don’t know if Labour did do that but I’m pretty sure that Thatcher didn’t give a second thought to the people whose lives she had destroyed. And those communities are still suffering with high rates of unemployment and its knock in effects.

Anyone who is trying to imply that it wasn't the poor old Tories who ruined the mining industry, it was the Labour Party, well they surely can't expect anyone to take them seriously, can they?

Very true lemongrove

I often wonder why I post on political threads?

GrannyGravy13

Conservatives closed 160 mines
Labour closed 290 mines.

Very true....but they won’t have it on here!

GillT57

Well, as one of the many on here who was told that I had lost, get over it, was told to be positive, told to wait, told I was unpatriotic etc., etc., I am still fizzing with anger at the mess we are finding this country in. Covid19 has been a convenient cover for the disaster that is Brexit, and it is becoming apparent by the booming silence from the previously vociferous Brexit camp.

We are just bored to tears with the constant whinging, that’s why the ‘Brexit camp’ are quiet Gill. Very few can be bothered with it.
It’s five years since the referendum, most people have moved on regardless of how they voted.

I think that there is more than an element of truth in this statement, and I think people are beginning to have the scales lifted from their eyes as well

“Johnson is not laughing with you. He’s laughing at you. At all of us. He’s been doing it the whole time. On everything. Even Covid. He seriously couldn’t give a s..t about you, your life, your problems. You’re useful to him at elections. That is the limit of his interest.”

It was Mrs Thatcher that did for the mining industry, her and McGregor. It just took a while to die.

Alegrias1

OK, maybe re-instate mine...

What's your point GG13?

Just putting it on the thread that it was just not Mrs.Thatcher who closed mines.

(To be honest if Mr.Johnson carries on as he is, Labour should be able to win if they were lead by a goat but only time will tell)

frustrated Conservative, probably politically homeless

OK, maybe re-instate mine...

What's your point GG13?

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202108/medium-967447-10ce9088-f84d-4f50-af27-71c64d5f592b.png https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202108/medium-406022-0c069881-aa92-4929-85de-746727b2e9ac.png

Here is a quick summary of mine closures from quora

Mrs.Thatcher closed 160 but Labour PM’s are not particularly covered in glory regarding pit closures

Ignore mine too!

Ignore previous post!!