Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Petera he didn’t say what you say he did......but what Katie
Says.
Whatever... I never take anything he says seriously.

Well here is what he actually said
The benefits of Brexit could take 50 yrs

www.youtube.com/watch?v=My4UM_zCpk0

I don't remember that Petera but I do remember him saying that there should be a second referendum after the "deal" had been negotiated. One of the few things he's said that I actually agreed with

varian

lemongrove

It’s at such an early stage that it’s pointless to discuss how well Brexit is going.It was to be expected that unravelling 40 years worth of rules and regulations and making new trade deals ( as well as maintaining trade with the EU countries) would be a slow process.

Jacob Rees Mogg told us it would be fifty years before we could see any benefit from brexit.

I don't know how old you are lemon but as most GNetters are over 50 I'm guessing that you might be unlikely to see whether you were right or wrong. The evidence so far points to you being wrong to have voted for brexit. Very very wrong.

I know that people understand that they shouldn't take Rees Mogg seriously, but do you remember him saying that we shouldn't leave the EU because we hadn't been in it for fifty years and we should wait to see the benefit?

No? I didn't think so.

According to the Telegraph, Johnson intends to tell the EU that the Brexit agreement never made sense. !!!

Why the F8ck did he sign it then? And shout about how wonderful it was?

How do people swallow this garbage?

GrannyGravy13

From Joe Barnes Brussels Correspondent

And they lectured us on standards! EU set to lift ban on grim farming method - leaked memo

As a result of the shift, cheap pig protein could be fed to chickens to ensure European farmers aren’t undercut by lower standards outside the bloc. The change is expected to come in force in August despite last-ditch attempts by MEPs led by the Greens to scrap the policy

These practices were brought in during the BSE crisis, all member states apart from France and Ireland endorsed this new amendment to farming laws.

Chickens are carnivorous (mine ate all the snails and slugs I threw into their run...), pig meat didn't carry BSE (clue, it's Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) Does it now?

Where is the problem?

According to the Telegraph, Johnson intends to tell the EU that the Brexit agreement never made sense. !!!

Well, most of us knew - so if he didn't know- what does this say about him. Again, 2 choices only- either he was totally dishonest and always intended to renege, or he is even more stupid than I thought. Which is it?

Joe Barnes Brussels Correspondent...

...for the Express.

From Joe Barnes Brussels Correspondent

And they lectured us on standards! EU set to lift ban on grim farming method - leaked memo

As a result of the shift, cheap pig protein could be fed to chickens to ensure European farmers aren’t undercut by lower standards outside the bloc. The change is expected to come in force in August despite last-ditch attempts by MEPs led by the Greens to scrap the policy

These practices were brought in during the BSE crisis, all member states apart from France and Ireland endorsed this new amendment to farming laws.

Sydney is now under hard lockdown for 2 weeks and this affects 6 million people. The vaccine rollout here is really slow due to incompetence and poor government and scare mongering in the press. Down where I live in Victoria we are relatively free but, as it is school holidays, it is only a matter of time. Victoria has already had 4 lockdowns, we have really had enough. Of course the panic buying has started up there ( what is it with toilet rolls?).

I would actually like to see some of the benefits we were promised. Is that too much to ask? After all, Boris Johnson told us we will ”prosper mightily”. I can't imagine he meant in 40-50 years' time. I certainly want my children and grandchildren to be part of this prosperity so it mustn't take too long to materialize.

lemongrove

Correction varian...you think that I was wrong, but I don’t.
When did you or anyone else think that what Rees Mogg says is Gospel?
It will take time though, of course it will, but being out of the EU will be very good for the UK in my view and it doesn’t matter if I am still alive and kicking by then or not.

You say that being out of the EU will be very good for the UK. In what tangible way will we benefit, do you think? This is a genuine question - Leave voters appear to have as much passion about leaving as Remainers had about remaining, so I am assuming there must be some substantial or concrete advantage in being outside of the EU.
I understand the issue of 'sovereignty' and we have had to give up some of it as one of the former member states, and adhere to the lowest denominator of meeting the basic tenets of justice and democracy within the EU. But the EU has never tried to change the constitutional structure of its member states. And, if I remember rightly, David Cameron reached an agreement with Brussels that gave us 'special' status in that we would never become part of a European super-state.
So looking at this realistically, we are now entirely free to make our own UK laws, but what is the reality of this for the average man in the street, so to speak? What will he/she be able to do on a practical level that he or she couldn't do before? How will this impact your everyday life? How will you feel this advantage in real terms?
I am trying to understand Brexit from the average Leave voter's perspective - rather than from its elite backers and the politicians who may well have both personal and political axes to grind.

It was always going to be a disaster- all the things that we were told were ‘scaremongering’ have happened.
People like lemongrove ought to have been thinking of their children and grandchildren and then they wouldn’t have voted to take away all the rights they themselves had enjoyed.
I am not getting behind Brexit. I didn’t vote for it - I did my utmost to prevent it and no one has told me a single advantage gained.

How dare you just shrug your shoulders and just say that we won't live to see the end results of your vote lemongrove. How dare you impose this on my children. You and others on here believed the nonsense you read and then told the rest of us that we needed to suck it up, get over it, stop being anti British, accused us of being traitors, told us that we hated our country, and now you inform us that we need not worry about the mess you have made of our future because we will all be dead? Good grief.

lemongrove

Correction varian...you think that I was wrong, but I don’t.
When did you or anyone else think that what Rees Mogg says is Gospel?
It will take time though, of course it will, but being out of the EU will be very good for the UK in my view and it doesn’t matter if I am still alive and kicking by then or not.

I would believe you if you knew how it will be better.

But you haven’t a clue.

Correction varian...you think that I was wrong, but I don’t.
When did you or anyone else think that what Rees Mogg says is Gospel?
It will take time though, of course it will, but being out of the EU will be very good for the UK in my view and it doesn’t matter if I am still alive and kicking by then or not.

lemongrove

It’s at such an early stage that it’s pointless to discuss how well Brexit is going.It was to be expected that unravelling 40 years worth of rules and regulations and making new trade deals ( as well as maintaining trade with the EU countries) would be a slow process.

Jacob Rees Mogg told us it would be fifty years before we could see any benefit from brexit.

I don't know how old you are lemon but as most GNetters are over 50 I'm guessing that you might be unlikely to see whether you were right or wrong. The evidence so far points to you being wrong to have voted for brexit. Very very wrong.

The Australian deal is going to do for the U.K. sugar beet industry according to the Farmers Union

Antonia

*Most of us who have lived in Europe have no recollection of ever seeing poppies for sale there.*
I used to live in France, and poppies were always sold at Carcassonne airport.

Well I've lived in Central France for a very long time and have
never ever seen a poppy for sale.

lemongrove

It’s at such an early stage that it’s pointless to discuss how well Brexit is going.It was to be expected that unravelling 40 years worth of rules and regulations and making new trade deals ( as well as maintaining trade with the EU countries) would be a slow process.

"We're going to replicate the 40 EU free trade agreements that exist before we leave the European Union so we've got no disruption of trade," Liam Fox told a Conservative party fringe event in Manchester.

lemongrove

It’s at such an early stage that it’s pointless to discuss how well Brexit is going.It was to be expected that unravelling 40 years worth of rules and regulations and making new trade deals ( as well as maintaining trade with the EU countries) would be a slow process.

In which case why did they tell us that it would all be really easy and settled over a friendly cup of tea?

Because it was never portrayed by Leave campaigners as being a long and difficult process. It was Remainers who said that, only to be shouted down as 'Project Fear'.

vegansrock

Who are Frost, Johnson, Gove et al if not part of the metropolitan elite?

Oh, vegansrock, you're so naive.. Don't you know you're only 'metropolitan elite' if you voted Remain

Those you mention are men of The People...

It’s at such an early stage that it’s pointless to discuss how well Brexit is going.It was to be expected that unravelling 40 years worth of rules and regulations and making new trade deals ( as well as maintaining trade with the EU countries) would be a slow process.

Another Brexit Benefit - roaming charges to be introduced by EE, and no doubt to be followed by other phone providers.

Who are Frost, Johnson, Gove et al if not part of the metropolitan elite?