Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Greta Grant Shapps is telling us that ... there is a shortage in EU countries as well. Now he is apparently open to the idea of issuing temporary visas to EU drivers.

Wait, wait. Grant Shapps is saying that we have a shortage that we can handle by importing from other countries that also have a shortage? Well I suppose it is Grant Shapps (unless of course it's Michael Green).

Interesting read, some scaremongering not come to fruition.

GrannyGravy13

Interesting read, some scaremongering not come to fruition.

Perhaps you could explain how this wonderful news will enhance the lives of; those living in poverty, or on the edge of it; farmers who can't get workers to pick their crops, export businesses that have folded because of EU red tape? Also the shortage of lorry drivers and workers in the hospitality industry...

You know, its like a game. read what it says in the Telegraph and discover the "selective reporting" that makes it look like Brexit was a good thing.

From the report:

Western Europe
London continues to lead in the region, dropping only three points in the ratings. This reflects confidence in the longer-term prospects for the centre.
Other leading Western European centres had mixed results, with Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, Stockholm, Hamburg, and Munich moving up the rankings while Frankfurt, Zurich, Edinburgh, Luxembourg, Stuttgart, and Brussels fell back, as centres compete following Brexit.

So if I was writing the article, I might say:

London has dropped in the ratings while Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, Stockholm, Hamburg, and Munich, have all shown significant improvement.

It’s all in the interpretation isn’t it?

Some see a half empty glass/cup others see the same glass/cup half full.

Yes it is.

Some can twist the report to make Brexit look like a good thing and some see the truth

Some people will never admit anything negative can be the result of Brexit.

Supermarket prices are set to rocket i. The next 2 weeks as a result of the Brexitvsupply chain chaos.

vegansrock

Some people will never admit anything negative can be the result of Brexit.

On the contrary, there are things that have not gone to plan due to Brexit, in fact it would be nice to be able to think that the Government had a plan.

Please do not tar all of those who voted leave with the same brush.

Dinahmo

Katie59

Checking up on unemployment figures which is not straightforward it seems there are 1.5m unemployed plus nearly 9m “economically inactive” (not seeking work) in the 16 - 64yr age group.

That seems an awful lot of working age people!.

They are students,landlords and those living off investment income.

Plus seriously underpaid and undervalued carers for family members, or people like me who decided to retire early, pull my belt in a bit, couldn't be bothered with the unappreciated aggravation of running a small business. Do you suggest that i should be picking peas?

Even the BBC is finally admitting that brexit is the cause of many of these problems. I’ve just read that the government are not going to allow dentists that have qualified in other countries. My dentist (NHS) is from Poland so I’m very concerned about that. Surely the government aren’t trying to make it difficult for NHS practices? ?

Those proportion hve changed vastly,

some see the reality 20/80 at best ...

Dinahmo

Katie59

Checking up on unemployment figures which is not straightforward it seems there are 1.5m unemployed plus nearly 9m “economically inactive” (not seeking work) in the 16 - 64yr age group.

That seems an awful lot of working age people!.

They are students,landlords and those living off investment income.

Funny because I thought Landlords paid taxes on income and investment income certainly gets taxed.

It seems like cutting off nose to spite face to not allow essential workers from EU countries visas. And why not recognise medical qualifications from countries like France and Germany which have excellent healthcare? Seems ludicrous.

I’ve posted on the petrol thread.

FT reporting Johnson going to allow visas for essential workers etc. He’s given in.

Let’s hope they want to come.

I’d be inclined to say “stuff it”

Whitewavemark2

I’ve posted on the petrol thread.

FT reporting Johnson going to allow visas for essential workers etc. He’s given in.

Let’s hope they want to come.

I’d be inclined to say “stuff it”

Hard to keep up with his u turns. Will the Universal credit change be next?

GillT57

Dinahmo

Katie59

Checking up on unemployment figures which is not straightforward it seems there are 1.5m unemployed plus nearly 9m “economically inactive” (not seeking work) in the 16 - 64yr age group.

That seems an awful lot of working age people!.

They are students,landlords and those living off investment income.

Plus seriously underpaid and undervalued carers for family members, or people like me who decided to retire early, pull my belt in a bit, couldn't be bothered with the unappreciated aggravation of running a small business. Do you suggest that i should be picking peas?

And stay-at-home parents and the disabled (and other groups).

GillT57 I think you're probably more of a soft fruit person.

You know me so well growstuff, I like nothing better than a freshly picked raspberry, but prefer someone else to do the picking!

If Brexiteers control the media, and use it to misinform, democracy is undermined.

Brexiteers should be able to convince a well informed public of the merits in their policy. Hiding the truth won't work, but only delay the inevitable consequences of a bad policy.

Trader blames Brexit for soaring price of fish - but BBC edits it out
The price of a container of imported fish has jumped by £11,000 - just don't mention the B word!
www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/trader-blames-brexit-for-soaring-price-of-fish-but-bbc-edits-it-out-290736/

Brexiteers shouldn't be happy with facts being hidden from them, neither. The fact that we left does not mean those who support our leaving should want lies and concealing truths to be the norm.

Only a bad boss would want a ‘yes men’ around him, and only a stupid voter will want to hear news from a ‘yes men’ (and women). If you support Brexit you want the truth so that problems are identified and pressure to solve them makes your leaders deal with them. Problems don't go away just because you don't know about them.

p.s. BBC charter: “To act in the public interest, serving all audiences with impartial, high-quality and distinctive media content and services that inform, educate and entertain”

Misha Hoo

brexitactually.quora.com/?__ni__=0&__nsrc__=4&__snid3__=26583336258&__tiids__=38102569

GillT57

Dinahmo

Katie59

Checking up on unemployment figures which is not straightforward it seems there are 1.5m unemployed plus nearly 9m “economically inactive” (not seeking work) in the 16 - 64yr age group.

That seems an awful lot of working age people!.

They are students,landlords and those living off investment income.

Plus seriously underpaid and undervalued carers for family members, or people like me who decided to retire early, pull my belt in a bit, couldn't be bothered with the unappreciated aggravation of running a small business. Do you suggest that i should be picking peas?

The economically inactive figure of 9 million represents people who are not in employment or are not registered as unemployed. This excludes those quoted in GillT57s comments.

Katie59

Dinahmo

Katie59

Checking up on unemployment figures which is not straightforward it seems there are 1.5m unemployed plus nearly 9m “economically inactive” (not seeking work) in the 16 - 64yr age group.

That seems an awful lot of working age people!.

They are students,landlords and those living off investment income.

Funny because I thought Landlords paid taxes on income and investment income certainly gets taxed.

Nobody mentioned taxation. This comment is about those below retirement age who are not seeking employment.

Kali2

Those proportion hve changed vastly,

some see the reality 20/80 at best ...

Which proportions? If you are referring to the figures qouted by Katie59 they are those for July 2021 taken from the Office for National Statistics

Peter Kay on voting leave and regretting it.

Peter Kay
@theonlypeterkay
Plenty have said as much to Mr James O’Brian
on his program. There’s no shame in it. Being conned is a signal of purity of spirit - being the con-merchant is where the focus for condemnation should lie.

This was a concern even before Brexit, and before this petrol and HGV drivers shortage.

''Radioisotopes are radioactive atoms that can be used against cancer and are a key component of some types of scan.

Their supply chains operate on tight schedules, as the nuclear materials quickly decay and become unusable. And stockpiling supplies in advance of a potential no deal, as planned for some other medicines, is impossible.

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UK delays no-deal medicine transport contract

The UK produced only one type of radioisotope, the Royal College of Radiologists told Newsnight. All other radioactive medical materials are imported - the "vast majority" from the EU.

The letter's authors question whether they will reach hospitals in time if there are delays at the border. Delays could lead to isotope shipments missing the lorries booked for their onward journeys around the UK.

The Royal College of Radiologists, the British Nuclear Medicine Society and the UK Radiopharmacy Group cite issues that arose during a no-deal trial, when one major supplier struggled to get their material fast-tracked through customs. Other, smaller suppliers have reportedly had problems too.

The Royal College of Radiologists has previously warned about potential delays to tests and treatment that rely on radioisotopes''

I know it is from the Guardian, so will be automatically dismissed by some, but this is another, real, concern and not scaremongering

'''UK pharmacies are low on stock as the Brexit problem carries on throughout the nation. The National Pharmacists Association (NPA) said on Sunday that it was aware that deliveries to some pharmacies had been reduced and that its members worked together and with local GPs to get medicines that were needed when problems occurred.''