One law for football fans?

Ashcombe

IMHO, in his original post, olddudders used the term proles as a way of describing the way the general public is regarded by the current government.

His posts were altogether disdainful and he said that you felt the same disdain.
Perhaps he should not have spoken for you, Ashcombe when he said women footballers were lowering themselves etc.

There is never very much on TV in the summer months and there are plenty of channels to choose from anyway.
Football is an extremely popular sport around the world.
I agree that perhaps it should not have taken place this year and I do believe there is a loutish element that follow football but that is not the majority.
Reporters will always pick out the worst element and publicise it.

Mmm - and I'd like to sing in church but clearly that's the wrong religion - singing at football is allowed!?..

JenniferEccles

Yes up to a point Callistemon
but other sports don’t feature as heavily as football does.

I guess it’s cost.

Not on TV certainly but certainly there is more choice here.
I don't think a young rugby player would find himself in the minority here.

Women and girls play rugby and football too! The FA have an even Steven’s game whereby young players of whatever sex get an equal amount of game time.

And as for Rugby not causing any problems, you might want to look at some of the appalling behaviour of some rugby players towards women, it makes fairly distressing reading.

25Avalon

Women and girls play rugby and football too! The FA have an even Steven’s game whereby young players of whatever sex get an equal amount of game time.

Fancy women and girls lowering themselves like that!

DD used to play girls' rugby, rather surprisingly as she was a very slender little girl.

I feel there should have been no travelling to London, whether with tickets or not, it was totally foolhardy to allow it during the present circumstances. In fact, I think the Euros shouldn't have gone ahead at all.
I'm sure we will see an increase in Covid numbers in the next few weeks.
However, it's all about making money and an easy life for the politicians.

I am ashamed of the behaviour of some of my fellow countrymen, but to tar ALL with the same brush is ridiculous.

As for your generalisation, Oldudders : But politicians know it keeps the proles happy, and Scots fans in London have always been drunk and disorderly is totally offensive and unaceptable and smacks of anti Scottish sentiments.
Do English fans never behave badly?

Not all Scots fans visiting London, behave in a disorderly manner, your comment says more about you , than it does about them.

Definition of prole from The Cambridge dictionary:

prole
noun [ C ] UK informal
UK /prəʊl/ US /proʊl/

an insulting word for a person from a low social class; a short form of "proletarian"

My husband was in London in 1977, at the Scotland England game, (which I think you may be referring to) , he was a senior officer in Local Government and wouldn't have considered behaving in a disorderly manner and neither would his colleagues, who were with him. They would have put their careers in jeopardy if they did.

I am with you, Maddyone, totally confused. Max 30 people meeting outdoors, masks and social distancing for you and me but if you attend a sporting event rules no longer apply. Why?

Perhaps this is worth reposting:

The Duke of Cambridge is President of the English FA. Does that make him a prole?

I feel there should have been no travelling to London, whether with tickets or not, it was totally foolhardy to allow it during the present circumstances. In fact, I think the Euros shouldn't have gone ahead at all.

I agree, Marydoll.
I suppose it was thought we might be on top of the Covid crisis by now and everywhere could start to open up again, but this could just prolong it.

Galaxy

And as for Rugby not causing any problems, you might want to look at some of the appalling behaviour of some rugby players towards women, it makes fairly distressing reading.

I lived for many years very near Twickenham. Our favourite Indian restaurant was in that town. We made the mistake once of eating there on a rugby day and some rugby supporters were in there, they were appallingly rude to staff, quite drunk and sweary, it wasn't a very nice experience. There used to be a lap dancing club in the town on the high street, close to a residential area and schools. Around that immediate area it was particularly bad when there had been a big match. Lots of complaints from residents thankfully got the dive closed down. Delighted about that! However, would add that no doubt the rowdies are a small minority and the vast majority, as with football supporters give the rest a bad name.

"Do English fans behave badly?" Sure they do and how embarrassing that is when they do that particularly in another country. They disgrace us all.

dragonfly46

The First Minister has just announced that she is banning all travel to Manchester from Monday. How can she be able to do this but not stop football fans with no tickets travelling to London?

We use this word "ban" a lot, don't we?

From Monday all non-essential travel to Manchester from Scotland is "not permitted". If some misguided soul wants to go, they still will, rules or not. Same as some people went to London when they were asked not to. Same as the people who flew up to Glasgow for a weekend with the family when travel into Glasgow was not allowed.

I think olddudders is trying to wind us up. Otherwise why would he think that Boris had anything to do with a football competition where one of the venues is in Azerbaijan?

Someone observed that I hadn't sneered at rugby. No - because I am not aware that those fans engage in widespread anti-social behaviour.

You've obviously never been in Rose Street on the evening of the Calcutta Cup.

I think you are probably right about the wind up Alegrias.

My eldest son is really into football and he said he was going to go out (he lives in a city) but all the bars and pubs 'were packed' so he watched it with his friend in his kitchen!

There does seem to be a complacency around the guidelines and virus at the moment.

Not all fans are hooligans these were clearing up Leicester Square this morning

Not a disdain for football but a disdain for the idolatry with which it is regarded, which is not accorded to any other sport.
One law for football?
It was ever thus.

eazybee: some people might say it has replaced religion in its significance in the lives of some people.

what a mess

Galaxy

I think you are probably right about the wind up Alegrias.

Sadly, I don't.
I think that Olddudders thinks that his anti-football views would be seen as a breath of fresh air to all of us females
('Ooh! A man who doesn't like football! What an enlightened and well educated chap!)

From your views here, it sounds as if you are well suited to each other, Ashcombe and Oldudders, I’m pleased for you both that you found each other.

Lisagran

From your views here, it sounds as if you are well suited to each other, Ashcombe and Oldudders, I’m pleased for you both that you found each other.

Thank you! So are we!

Crikey Fanny, it's a long time since I was that easily impressed

When I worked in a Primary School, I used to love it when big football tournaments were on, particularly the World Cup.
I would always organise sweepstakes with the kids. It was a very culturally diverse school and I'd let the kids have first dibs on their relevant country. We would talk always talk about the match that was on the night before and update the wall chart.
Sometimes we'd even watch matches in the afternoon ()
You can get a heck of a lot of learning opportunities out of football.
Football is also very uniting - it's a global language.

it's a global language

As are many things e,g. music, dance, art……