A question

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WHAT IS GOING ON?

Apparently Hancock used personal GMail throughout the pandemic and not the official inbox. So nothing that was done during that time can easily be checked.
Officials in the DoH were very worried about this issue

Question - why would he not use an official mail box but his own private gmail account, unless he had something to hide?

Trevor Phillips tore into Brandon Lewis for defending Hancock.

Alegrias1

And lastly - I wouldn't trust them to deliver the milk.

Look, if Boris says he'll deliver your milk you'll get it. He will get it to you on time. You can trust him to deliver....

But you might find he's taken the cream off the top.

Dinahmo

A reminder of Peter Obourne's list of Johnson's lies

boris-johnson-lies.com/

The message will get through.

Thought this thread was dead but as still some interest I would like to thank Dinahmo for highlighting Peter Obourne's writing. In his mission statement he says "...and I was so appalled by the dishonesty of Mr Blair’s administration that I wrote a treatise, The Rise of Political Lying, on the subject." Appears all politicians are liars after all.
(P.S Blair isn't alone here)
Enjoyed this thread learnt a few things thank you.

Whitewavemark2

Just reading some commentators who seem to be of the opinion, that the tide is turning against the government and interviewers were showing real anger at people like Brandon Lewis and other government bids that were wheeled in.

Been predicting this for a while now. And as said at the time, it is very slow to intiate the turn for such a big ship- once it starts though- it will be very quick.

Whitewavemark2

Just reading some commentators who seem to be of the opinion, that the tide is turning against the government and interviewers were showing real anger at people like Brandon Lewis and other government bids that were wheeled in.

Also, politicians are now being questioned on their answers by tv journalists and more and more people are noticing that Johnson doesn’t actually answer questions in parliament. If only this had always been the case. I’ve lost track of how many times we’ve shouted at the tv ‘answer the question’ or ‘lies’! Oakshott had to back track on a lying statement on tv the other day after years of lying about the EU.

MaizieD

I'll not hold my breath, WwMk2

I must hope

Your post at 18:17 just showed up in my timeline varian, but it made me think of something that happened in Scotland this week. A monument to the International Brigade was vandalised and a man and his son cleaned it up, just because they thought it needed doing. The Sun tweeted them and asked for pictures and quotes. The man was very polite to the journalist but told them where to stick it, that he didn't want anything to do with the Sun because of its politics and approach to journalism. A good example to his son twice over.

I'll not hold my breath, WwMk2

Just reading some commentators who seem to be of the opinion, that the tide is turning against the government and interviewers were showing real anger at people like Brandon Lewis and other government bids that were wheeled in.

I think we know why MayBee it is the influence of the right wing media. I remember being told many years ago that a LibDem Press Officer issued a Press release to all national newspapers, most of whom just ignored it but the political correspondent of The Sun did actually contact him to say "as far as our paper is concerned, your party does not exist, so don';t bother sending us anything"

As I said, the evil that men do etc. All people talk about with the LibDems is the coalition. Whereas nothing seems to stick to the Conservatives. Why is that? Is it because it’s expected of them whereas when other parties make a mistake people are shocked?

Let's just remember that the Liberal Democrats opposed the Iraq war.

But where does integrity get you in UK politics?

Nowhere- unless we campaign for democracy and scrap this antidemocratic rule by minority that is FPTP.

I never claimed that either result was near to giving Labour a majority; just that a tory government wasn't inevitable. And that 2017 gave the Establishment a nasty fright.

It's no longer clear what the parties stand for and voters don't fall into neat groups.

It's absolutely clear what the tory government stands for and it isn't the wellbeing of the UK..

*MaizieD in the interests of accuracy, I think your comments regarding the 2010 and 2017 GEs are a overly generous to the Labour party. In 2010 the Conservatives required 19 more seats for a majority and Labour needed another 68, in 2017 the Conservatives needed another 9 and Labour another 64. They were both hung parliaments but Labour was a long way from gaining a majority.

I think the main problem for both parties is that within their own MPs and party structure there is division, not entirely around Brexit but also in terms of policy and that division is also in the population of voters too. It's no longer clear what the parties stand for and voters don't fall into neat groups.

Chestnut

MaizieD As for your (and lemon's) opinion of Labour government from 1997 to 2010 I doubt very much if either of you could tell me what was incompetent about it apart from the 'Iraq War' mantra.
Oh my goodness! I'm afraid that cannot come under this thread which is about the Conservatives. It would require a whole new thread which would no doubt be even more volatile than this one!

Well, go on then. Start one.

The Iraq war is a complete red herring when talking about the competence of Labour governments.

But isn't it a useful deflection?

Now tell me about the rest of Labour's supposed incompetence. All of it please, not just cherrypicked moments...

MaizieD As for your (and lemon's) opinion of Labour government from 1997 to 2010 I doubt very much if either of you could tell me what was incompetent about it apart from the 'Iraq War' mantra.
Oh my goodness! I'm afraid that cannot come under this thread which is about the Conservatives. It would require a whole new thread which would no doubt be even more volatile than this one!

25Avalon

Lucca would you rather he was still there? I thought not. I reckon Javid should do a good job. We shall see.

Why are you asking me that ?? Of course I wouldn’t prefer him to be still in office. He is a disgrace.
I don’t understand your post at all.

They voted for it in Parliament because Blair talked up the risks of not going to war.As we know, there were dodgy dossiers at play, but Blair really wanted to keep President Bush onside, he seemed to be in awe of him.
Am sure if Blair could go back in time and undo it he would do but the fact was that he was PM and ultimately responsible.

Yes MayBee parliament did vote for it and I agree that all parties were responsible for the disaster.

And Blair helped bring about peace in Yugoslavia. And also Ireland. Something that Johnson seems hell bent on destroying. The evil that men do etc etc……

lemongrove

In the case of the Iraq war MaizieD it was not only incompetent but disastrous for the people of Iraq.It should never have been entered into and there was no end game, no plan for after the initial attacks.Yes, the US was to blame but so was Tony Blair.

Labour does have a chance with Starmer as Leader, but none at all with a more left leaning candidate.I cannot think of anyone in the Shadow Cabinet who would have more appeal to the public, certainly not Dawn Butler or Angela Raynor!

But didn’t parliament vote for it. So shouldn’t all parties be held responsible? I do agree there should have been a post war plan for Iraq but Tony Blair seems to have taken the whole blame for it.

MaizieD Can you tell me what fraction of the social housing stock (i.e. council houses) was sold off under the Labour government between 1997 and 2010?
Was this a positive thing for the less fortunate in society - the people Labour claim to look out for. Was it not a popular vote winning policy? They handled this 'competently' I guess, if you bought a cheap house. Young families today might not see it that way now.