A question

nothing on the news just now about his resignation- bizarre

So he has done the honourable thing and fallen on his sword. A UK Gov Poll showed 49% wanted him to resign and a number of conservative MP’s felt the same.

Yes HolySox I have always kept an open mind and looked at the facts.

I cannot imagine ever ever ever voting for this totally corrupt and incompetent Tory Party.

Chestnut your logic is flawed - the more people in the population means the more people are trained healthcare workers, the more paramedics, the more distribution points etc. etc. - resources are proportionate to population.

Hungary also started vaccinating after the UK, so they have done a magnificent job. Would it choke you just to say well done them?

Varian yes try to keep an open mind and vote for the party I think will look after us all the best, the fairest. Hope you do the same.

I shall wait to see who is his successor before I become excited about his resignation…

Toadinthehole

Matt Hancock must have been reading this thread.....he’s just quit!

As I said, checks and balances. Matt's epitaph from this thread is that he is an adulterer, doesn't follow his own guidelines and (may) have placed some government contracts without followong the correct procedure (possible corruption). But this thread acknowledges he has played a singular role in ensuring the vaccine rolled out for all our benefits.
Now he has been 'found out' he has done the honourable thing and resigned.
Maybe not so bad afterall? I still have faith in our political system.

Alegrias1

Chestnut

Casdon Doesn’t a country that’s ‘only’ 10 million count then lemongrove? Is it because they are in the EU by any chance?
I think you'll have to admit that vaccinating 66.6 million people is a little more demanding than vaccinating 9.7 million people.

How do you explain the USA then? 5 times our population (ish) and only 2% behind us.

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Chestnut

Casdon Doesn’t a country that’s ‘only’ 10 million count then lemongrove? Is it because they are in the EU by any chance?
I think you'll have to admit that vaccinating 66.6 million people is a little more demanding than vaccinating 9.7 million people.

How do you explain the USA then? 5 times our population (ish) and only 2% behind us.

Casdon Doesn’t a country that’s ‘only’ 10 million count then lemongrove? Is it because they are in the EU by any chance?
I think you'll have to admit that vaccinating 66.6 million people is a little more demanding than vaccinating 9.7 million people.

Chestnut

This thread is bursting with venom from 'the usual suspects'. I suppose they have to let off steam every now and then. Hate Boris, hate the Conservatives, it really always is Groundhog Day on Gransnet.

''the accepted meaning is “a situation in which events are or appear to be continually repeated”

it is certainly groundhog day every day with this 'Government' - hence ....

Victim complex?

varian

Use of the word "venom" only comes from one side on GN

I wonder why that is ?

Posted too soon, sorry. I'm off to culture my venom glands

The only Tory I ever "hated" was Thatcher. The rest, just fed up with them.

Doesn’t a country that’s ‘only’ 10 million count then lemongrove? Is it because they are in the EU by any chance?

Not to mention that Wales now has the best first and full vaccination rate in the UK but because we are only 3 million and have a Labour Government we are clearly completely irrelevant, it’s all down to the UK Government. Actually our government here don’t blow their trumpet, they haven’t taken credit for the excellent vaccine rollout, they have consistently praised the NHS and councils for doing such a good job, with both vaccination and Test and Trace. No self glorification and lies. Such a contrast.

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Alegrias1

No really. Google her.

I'm afraid I have no idea what your point is any more. ? Sorry.

She's married to a Conservative MP, BTW.

Sorry if I’ve confused you. Probably time to call it a day. Chestnut sums it up well. Have a good evening Alegrias

Use of the word "venom" only comes from one side on GN

No really. Google her.

I'm afraid I have no idea what your point is any more. ? Sorry.

She's married to a Conservative MP, BTW.

This thread is bursting with venom from 'the usual suspects'. I suppose they have to let off steam every now and then. Hate Boris, hate the Conservatives, it really always is Groundhog Day on Gransnet.

HolySox

GillT57

Good try. I truly despair of the indoctrination and tribalism that causes people to vote for this disgusting corrupt and ineffective administration. Is it really worth putting up with this shower who obviously despise the electorate just because you have always voted this way? It is laughable to hear Tory politicians answer "but vaccines!" as a reply to everything. The vaccine program was a huge success due to.the hard working the NHS and volunteers and does not excuse or counterbalance the lies,cheating and corruption elsewhere. I am astounded that a group of decent law abiding people are willing to accept behaviour in their government that they would not accept in their family, employers or friends.

Was this aimed at me? As I said I'm feeling a little persecuted. "My barely adequate psychic defences are crumbling." ( The Young Ones 1982)
I used to vote Labour as that was what the working class did. Then we got mortgages so became middle class (like Alf Garnet) so voted Tory. But Labour became middle class New Labour so we voted Labour again. Then the banks crashed and we all lost money. All except for the banks who were baled out by the tax payer so we voted Tory again. Actually, voted Liberal at one point as I thought proportional representation could lead to a more balanced government and get us away from 2 party politics. Nick Clegg screwed that up so back to the lesser of 2 evils, it seems.
I accept there will always be a level of underhandedness in government (money and power corrupt) but still have faith that there are sufficient checks and balances in place to ensure this is not only limited but that Britain maintains a relatively honest government that serves the British people. If politicians get it wrong let's call them out! But to villify a whole government over a few individuals is unwarranted.

I do give you credit HolySox for not always having been a Tory voter. You are obviously an open minded person, so I hope that you might think again the next time you have the opportunity to vote.

Matt Hancock must have been reading this thread.....he’s just quit!

Hey snap Lemongrove! I didn't see your Hungary post! ?

Alegrias1

Bingham certainly wasn't working for or with Mr Hancock. From what I see of Bingham, more likely the other way round. ?

IMO she did it because it needed doing. We could all learn from Dame Kate.

Which ever way you cook it....she was ‘ with’ a Tory, ( lowest of the low) MP. Could understand if she was heftily paid, and you say she wasn’t. So I repeat....That would be ridiculous!

Casdon

Holysox you do know that Hungary, which is in the EU is ahead of the UK for total population fully vaccinated already I assume. We aren’t that wonderful.

Hungary has a population of 9.7 million which is what the UK had around 1810. Today the UK has 66.6 million. How can you compare?