A question

Alegrias1

Chestnut

Casdon Doesn’t a country that’s ‘only’ 10 million count then lemongrove? Is it because they are in the EU by any chance?
I think you'll have to admit that vaccinating 66.6 million people is a little more demanding than vaccinating 9.7 million people.

How do you explain the USA then? 5 times our population (ish) and only 2% behind us.

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Toadinthehole

Matt Hancock must have been reading this thread.....he’s just quit!

As I said, checks and balances. Matt's epitaph from this thread is that he is an adulterer, doesn't follow his own guidelines and (may) have placed some government contracts without followong the correct procedure (possible corruption). But this thread acknowledges he has played a singular role in ensuring the vaccine rolled out for all our benefits.
Now he has been 'found out' he has done the honourable thing and resigned.
Maybe not so bad afterall? I still have faith in our political system.

I shall wait to see who is his successor before I become excited about his resignation…

Varian yes try to keep an open mind and vote for the party I think will look after us all the best, the fairest. Hope you do the same.

Chestnut your logic is flawed - the more people in the population means the more people are trained healthcare workers, the more paramedics, the more distribution points etc. etc. - resources are proportionate to population.

Hungary also started vaccinating after the UK, so they have done a magnificent job. Would it choke you just to say well done them?

Yes HolySox I have always kept an open mind and looked at the facts.

I cannot imagine ever ever ever voting for this totally corrupt and incompetent Tory Party.

So he has done the honourable thing and fallen on his sword. A UK Gov Poll showed 49% wanted him to resign and a number of conservative MP’s felt the same.

nothing on the news just now about his resignation- bizarre

just announced

Just saying its not worth it, we might as well give up and just not bother with voting at all.

I know, that is why I keep banging my head, generally but not always, Alegrias

I would not vote for Plaid, however.

It’s been all over the news Kali
Probably the best outcome, resigning is always better than being given the sack.His position was untenable, there wasn’t an alternative.I imagine it may all come as a relief, his job over the last year and a half must have been hellish.
Wonder who will replace him.?

Sajid Javid is now Health Secretary, lemongrove

25Avalon

So he has done the honourable thing and fallen on his sword. A UK Gov Poll showed 49% wanted him to resign and a number of conservative MP’s felt the same.

I’m sorry to say but it looks like the words honourable and Matt Hancock should not be seen in the same sentence.

Lucca would you rather he was still there? I thought not. I reckon Javid should do a good job. We shall see.

25Avalon

Lucca would you rather he was still there? I thought not. I reckon Javid should do a good job. We shall see.

I would wait and see if I were you.

All the ducks in a row for the process of privatisation of the NHS.

JPMorgan - massive player in private Health

Savid Javid - employed as a senior advisor to JP Morgan.
Javid made his money as an investment banker, knows nothing about health, has not shone at any government post he has held.

Dido in the wings.

The most obvious and sensible choice would have been Hunt. But that doesn’t fit the agenda.

Hunt wouldn’t do it even if they asked him Whitewavemark2. He’s both pro Brexit and pro NHS (comparatively), he has too much integrity to join the current crew. No doubt he’s biding his time until Boris is hoist by his own petard, which won’t be long.

Sorry anti Brexit I meant!

I am pleased Sajid Javid has been appointed. I realise this will anger a few on here. However, this is my opinion. I am not insulting anyone who does not agree with me. I agree with Matt Hancock's decision in resigning. However, he should never have been allowed to make the decision for himself.

Good riddance to Mr Hancock. Not a Conservative voter. But I don't think the constant ridicule and insults towards those who do vote Tory aren't helping. Demeaning people's intelligence doesn't work. In fact it might have the opposite effect.

Late to the party but pleased Hancock has resigned (BJ should have sacked him for delaying), tbh I'm not the slightest bit interested in his private affairs but if it spills over into his public life, that's another matter. I think the OP has missed the point though. Attacking people who vote conservative doesn't change things. For whatever reason the electorate are unwilling to vote labour in enough numbers for them to be in power. That's the real problem and attacking confirmed Conservative voters cetainly won't get them to change their mind. I read some of the comments on here and they are just plain nasty, really not a good way of winning friends and influencing people!
I don't vote Conservative, I'm a wishy washy white left of centre liberal, totally sick of BJ and his cronyism but didn't vote Labour at the last election. Instead of giving people grief for voting Conservative, why not give them a reason for voting Labour which is a positive message rather than an attack on the Govt. We need strong and effective political parties but sadly they all seem to spend more time arguing amongst themselves than they do thinking about policy.

I don't vote Conservative, I'm a wishy washy white left of centre liberal, totally sick of BJ and his cronyism but didn't vote Labour at the last election. Instead of giving people grief for voting Conservative, why not give them a reason for voting Labour which is a positive message rather than an attack on the Govt. We need strong and effective political parties but sadly they all seem to spend more time arguing amongst themselves than they do thinking about policy.

Good grief, foxie48, that's far too sensible

Good post Foxie48

Foxie48 has got the message across in a very polite way. Well done!

I expect none of us on this platform have any way of giving anybody any reason for voting Labour when they are considered by government supporters to be such electoral poison. Apologies to any Labour activists on the thread!

But foxie48's polite post makes one rather important statement; that all the parties are arguing about policies. Don’t you expect that? Don’t you expect a properly functioning political party to have discussions about their policies, especially when we are at least 3 years from another GE?

Pre-covid, when we used to have Party Conferences, the Tory faithful would turn up and get told what the party policies are. The Labour faithful, and the others as far as I know, would turn up and decide what the policies are.

So far on this thread we have learnt that government supporters:
Think all politicians are liars
Don’t care what the government do as long as they stay in power
Think the worst thing about Boris is that he went over budget on decorating
Think we’re way ahead of the rest of the world on vaccinations, or those countries who are ahead aren’t worth worrying about anyway.

If these are the attitudes and beliefs of government supporters, and these are the reasons they’re voting Conservative, they’re going to get argued with and told that they are wrong.