A question

Main aim of the Tory party is to make the rich richer. If in the process the poor get poorer - tough!

Originally they were known as Tory but were always keen to not be particularly progressive and retain much as it was - to conserve existing privilege etc. Thus -the conservatives.

They tend to resist change and cling on to privilege etc. Small state and low taxes.

We would never have had the NHS or other welfare benefits . If the Tories had had their way, and of course it is being undermined constantly.

The Tories have never brought in anything of profound change that benefits the common man.

The Liberal Democrats have an ideology that draws on both the liberal and social democratic traditions.

The party is primarily social liberal, supporting redistribution but sceptical of increasing the power of the state, emphasising the link between equality and liberty.

The party supports investment and progressive taxation, but also promotes civil liberties and a less centralised economy.

This distinguishes the party from many liberal parties elsewhere in Europe that are instead dominated by classical liberalism. By comparison, the Liberal Democrats support a mixed economy and have sometimes opposed privatisation.

The party spans the centre and centre-left, and has emphasised each aspect at different times. The public have traditionally viewed the party as centre-left, though during the Cameron–Clegg coalition they were seen as centrist.

On economic issues, the party has usually been positioned between the Conservatives and the Labour Party, though typically closer to the Labour Party.

There is a degree of ideological diversity among members of the Liberal Democrats, with a wide range of opinions on most subjects.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats_(UK)

FarNorth

growstuff I don't know what values they have. Those who are clinging on would have to be the ones to tell you.

I was hoping they would tell me because I don't know either.

MayBee70

I think Conservativeism (is that a word?) is based on economic policy and Labour is based on social policies. LibDem a bit of both. Conservatives thinking that if the economy is in a good shape everything else follows. And Labour thinking that if people are healthy and happy they’ll work harder and the economy will benefit. Or is that too simplistic?

People might think that, but the "economy" hasn't been in good shape, using a number of common indicators, under Conservative governments. Asset holders (including property owners) have done well, but the remaining people have paid the price.

The economy has performed well enough to benefit a critical number of voters, but looking at the economy as a whole for all of the population, it's performed abysmally. That's why the emphasis under this government has been on cultural identity issues. Covid notwithstanding, the economic performance over the last 12 years of Conservative government doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

growstuff I don't know what values they have. Those who are clinging on would have to be the ones to tell you.

I think Conservativeism (is that a word?) is based on economic policy and Labour is based on social policies. LibDem a bit of both. Conservatives thinking that if the economy is in a good shape everything else follows. And Labour thinking that if people are healthy and happy they’ll work harder and the economy will benefit. Or is that too simplistic?

I think loyalty to party is a funny thing. I know that I should resign my membership of the labour party because they have recently made decisions that I so fundamentally disagree with, however I can feel the pull of a 30 year loyalty and I havent done it yet. So I can understand why Tory voters may feel that way.

FarNorth

I'm a supporter of Scottish independence but am no longer a member of the SNP party because of the way it's been acting in recent times.
I did, however, vote SNP in the recent election as I didn't want to vote for a party that doesn't support independence.

Perhaps some Conservative voters are similar in seeing the faults in the current bunch but hoping it can all be got back on track with the values they support, hence still voting for them.

Just my guess.

What values does the Conservative Party support?

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Why, tho, some people still insist that everything is going great and that we have wonderful people in government - that totally baffles me.

Whitewavemark2

Johnson is refusing to deny that he uses personal emails for official business.

Clinton lost the election because of that

THE question is- why would he choose to do that? And many others in his entourage too. To avoid official scrutiny?

I'm a supporter of Scottish independence but am no longer a member of the SNP party because of the way it's been acting in recent times.
I did, however, vote SNP in the recent election as I didn't want to vote for a party that doesn't support independence.

Perhaps some Conservative voters are similar in seeing the faults in the current bunch but hoping it can all be got back on track with the values they support, hence still voting for them.

Just my guess.

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Johnson is refusing to deny that he uses personal emails for official business.

Clinton lost the election because of that

So many decent Conservative MP’s have been forced out if the party because of the current government which is rotten from the top down. I do feel sorry for lifelong Conservative voters but don’t understand why so many find it impossible to criticise anything they do, no matter how corrupt it is. The government is like one that’s run it’s course and is on it’s way out and yet, frighteningly, unless people wishing the party call them out for what they are, they’re governing this country for the forseeable future.

If you have been a lifelong supporter of the Tory party it's probably quite difficult to completely turn your back on them. I don't know what it would take to change allegiance, perhaps an offence that led to imprisonment.

I think it's generally true that we don't want to hear bad news about people/ideas we support and often tend to dismiss them or look for excuses or mitigating circumstances.

However, what we are witnessing now under Boris Johnson's leadership is something else and I find it appalling. There are so many lies told that your head spins. Tangled web and all that.

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Oh yes of course it can, we did it all the time, but the point being Hancock never thought and still hopes it will never come to that.

The government will fight it tooth and nail.

Whitewavemark2

Apparently Hancock used personal GMail throughout the pandemic and not the official inbox. So nothing that was done during that time can easily be checked.
Officials in the DoH were very worried about this issue

Question - why would he not use an official mail box but his own private gmail account, unless he had something to hide?

Can his devices not be searched? As I understand it, nothing is ever completely erased from a hard drive.

I think there has always been a time delay. I thought Trevor Phillips was very controlled considering what he has been through.

Oh it did eventually.

That didn’t work

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