Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

your words I expect Kali
especially the last line...

Not at all actually.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2

Interesting discussion- thanks all.

How about getting back to the OP and the concept of 'trust'.

Whether we will ever want to return, or perhaps re-negotiate some kind of Norway Deal- or not at all- we will need trade and other agreements, be it on import/exports, security, medicines, isotopes, research, and so much more. And the issue of 'trust' will very much be aprt of that. Anyone who is prepared to make any deal with us, will want to consider if our PM and our Government's word can be trusted.

Is there anyone here, even the hardest of anti EU/Brexiters, who would be prepared to deny that to make agreements and Treaties of any kind, trust is a very important thing.

Unfortunately money speaks more and is paid more attention to than trust.

That may be okay with you GrannyGravy13. I don't believe, however, that any governments whatever the depth of its corruption, lasts forever.

It sounds as if you are saying that it doesn't matter how untrustworthy our government is the UK will still get deals. Is this the new patriotism? You seem to accept that as okay (you don't say it isn't).

I wonder what you think will happen to everyone - not just you - if this government has not got enough money to buy the corruption of other governments?

Kali2

I am not sure- I am not so cynical as you. I think money without trust just is not enough, truly.

In the meantime, this made me laugh (funny ah ah ... as it is not funny at all) but here goes

"OF COURSE, IT HAS GOT TO BE RE-NEGOTIATED, AS WHEN WE SIGNED IT, THE ROOM WAS ALL DARK AND DINGY AND WE HAD FORGOTTEN OUR READING GLASSES, SO THE WORDS IN THE DOCUMENT WERE ALL VERY BLURRY.
AND WE WERE IN A BIT OF A HURRY COS FROSTY NEEDED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
AND AS WE'RE BRITISH AND IMPORTANT TO THE WORLD WE THINK IT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN"

Do you think by shouting ( which is what your doing by posting In uppercase) that we will listen or believe you?

Kali2

Not at all actually.

So whose?

PippaZ I am not condoning corruption by anyone, whether they be a Government or in the wider business world.

I was just pointing out that money talks. The EU would more than likely be happy for the U.K. to rejoin for the obvious reason that it was and would be one of the few net contributors.

AND AS WE'RE BRITISH AND IMPORTANT TO THE WORLD WE THINK IT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN

This brings me back to what I said earlier. In the past we may have been puffed up as a nation and full of our own importance, but I can think of a couple of other EU countries who are just as arrogant and forceful.
Lately I think the UK has become more self contained and relaxed in its attitude, not always striving to be top dog and looking down on others. I hope this continues so that shouting becomes unnecessary.

I do not shout, nor do I pay any attention to anyone who does shout…

Don't be in any doubt about how we described ourselves to the world. I listened to some stories about those who came over on the Windrush. One woman said they didn't expect anyone to be poor.

We told the world we knew better tan they did how to live, who and how to worship and what mattered in life. I don't think anyone can be surprised that this is how we were then expected to be. Sadly, we rarely came up to scratch and even less under this government. Why then should any country trust us?

PippaZ

Don't be in any doubt about how we described ourselves to the world. I listened to some stories about those who came over on the Windrush. One woman said they didn't expect anyone to be poor.

We told the world we knew better tan they did how to live, who and how to worship and what mattered in life. I don't think anyone can be surprised that this is how we were then expected to be. Sadly, we rarely came up to scratch and even less under this government. Why then should any country trust us?

The U.K. is not the only Country to have had an Empire .

Whilst I agree in part with your post it can also be applied to Portugal, Spain, France and others who conquered nations and portrayed superiority to others.

Whilst I agree in part with your post it can also be applied to Portugal, Spain, France and others who conquered nations and portrayed superiority to others.

Aaah, but the difference is, we've not been occupied by a foreign power since 1066. They all have. And guess who thinks they rescued them on several occasions?

Ellianne

AND AS WE'RE BRITISH AND IMPORTANT TO THE WORLD WE THINK IT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN

This brings me back to what I said earlier. In the past we may have been puffed up as a nation and full of our own importance, but I can think of a couple of other EU countries who are just as arrogant and forceful.
Lately I think the UK has become more self contained and relaxed in its attitude, not always striving to be top dog and looking down on others. I hope this continues so that shouting becomes unnecessary.

I think you might find that the 'shouting' is integral to the satirical post that Kali2 passed on to us. Taking the mick out of the UK approach to NI protocol negotiations with the EU.

I'm surprised that you think we've become more relaxed, I think that the UK has become embarrassingly shouty and thinks it's something special. But that's just my opinion.

When I arrived in this country in 1971 I was amazed to learn that "we are the envy of the rest of the world". I still think that belief is fairly widespread.

MaizieD

Ellianne

AND AS WE'RE BRITISH AND IMPORTANT TO THE WORLD WE THINK IT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN

This brings me back to what I said earlier. In the past we may have been puffed up as a nation and full of our own importance, but I can think of a couple of other EU countries who are just as arrogant and forceful.
Lately I think the UK has become more self contained and relaxed in its attitude, not always striving to be top dog and looking down on others. I hope this continues so that shouting becomes unnecessary.

I think you might find that the 'shouting' is integral to the satirical post that Kali2 passed on to us. Taking the mick out of the UK approach to NI protocol negotiations with the EU.

I'm surprised that you think we've become more relaxed, I think that the UK has become embarrassingly shouty and thinks it's something special. But that's just my opinion.

Indeed, not my shouting. I just copied and pasted.

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ I am not condoning corruption by anyone, whether they be a Government or in the wider business world.

I was just pointing out that money talks. The EU would more than likely be happy for the U.K. to rejoin for the obvious reason that it was and would be one of the few net contributors.

If you look back to the immediate post-war period, the US invested a huge amount in Europe, including the UK. It didn't do that because it was being charitable, but because it wanted a market for American goods.

It was the same with UK contributions to the EU. Poorer countries could afford to buy British goods (especially services), which provided work for British workers and the economy in general. There's no point in producing anything if there's no market for what's being produced.

It's overly simplistic to think that the UK contribution was the only financial consideration.

Thanks Maizie, I do not entertain shouting in any form, satirical or otherwise. It just makes fools of everyone.

I think the UK has always been capable of projecting and extending itself all over the world. I guess the downside of that is that we erroneously think we can influence and control everything too.
Historically we have successfully invaded and conquered more nations than anyone else. Most of this single handedly. I think a lot of our vanity lies in the fact that such a small island as ours can successfully engage itself worldwide in wars, trade, international aid etc. It is quite impressive.
What happens in the future when we return to going it alone remains to be seen.
Maybe we will become less shouty. At least our sense of humour, unlike that of some other countries, will stand us in good stead.

Kali2

Not at all actually.

Can I ask whose words these were then that were copied and posted please?

^And guess who thinks they rescued them on several occasions.

You can poo poo the millions of deaths deaths all you like but some still appreciate the sacrifices that were made.

Ellianne

Kali2

Not at all actually.

Can I ask whose words these were then that were copied and posted please?

TBH, I do not know. Just popped up on my FB feed and copied and pasted. I did consider re-typing in lower case, but just left it as was.

No worries. I just wondered who Frosty was?

MaizieD

^Whilst I agree in part with your post it can also be applied to Portugal, Spain, France and others who conquered nations and portrayed superiority to others.^

Aaah, but the difference is, we've not been occupied by a foreign power since 1066. They all have. And guess who thinks they rescued them on several occasions?

The UK and it’s allies did rescue countries from Nazism in the last war, and it’s typical left wing sneering to question it.
About what I expected though.

Ellianne

No worries. I just wondered who Frosty was?

The snowman?

Our amazingly inept negotiator, Frost- unelected and out of his depth, totally. And one who understood before he was appointed, exactly what the difficulties would be with this Deal- and now totally blames the EU!

lemongrove

Ellianne

No worries. I just wondered who Frosty was?

The snowman?

Ha!

And the all caps comment wasn't remotely satirical either

lemongrove

MaizieD

Whilst I agree in part with your post it can also be applied to Portugal, Spain, France and others who conquered nations and portrayed superiority to others.

Aaah, but the difference is, we've not been occupied by a foreign power since 1066. They all have. And guess who thinks they rescued them on several occasions?

The UK and it’s allies did rescue countries from Nazism in the last war, and it’s typical left wing sneering to question it.
About what I expected though.

What a very narrow view you have of history, lemon. I was thinking back much further than just WW2.

You also have a very peculiar idea of what 'left wingers' think.