Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

Kandinsky

Why are they so desperate if they’re being looked after in France?
I genuinely don’t get why they risk their lives to come here?
They’re already in a safe country.
No one ever seems able to fully explain it.

You do realise that once Johnson has picked out asylum seekers, put them in the closest thing to camps we have and has made sure they were 'othered' as if they were not human beings who have undergone things no human being should, he will need another target.

It looks as if he will aim at the older part of our population next. You may believe you can buy yourself out of being on the list but you will still be in the position of being one of the ones used to make the next group feel better as they lose what they have come to expect.

There will be a Priti Pattel type figure (she may even get "promoted") who, as she has done to the asylum seekers, only talks of the 'old' as a problem, never referring to how the policies affect us. We already know what Johnson thinks of older people.

At the moment you can sit in a nice warm home, well-fed and cared for saying "‘At least we’re not drowning in freezing water because we were daft enough to think we would be welcome here.’" But this will turn on a sixpence. You may well find your NHS and Care Costs are seen as a burden. That you needing them as you get older and being a burden on the rest of the population is all that is talked about rather than good care and a free at the point of need NHS.

Johnson et al have done it before. Why would these New Tories not do it again?

Very very moving, and I kept thinking 'he could be my grandson'

youtu.be/t40ANH4Pe14

I think Kali2, if you start another thread, you should make it clear, that only people who agree with you should respond.

I for one, am glad we’re out. My granny said in the year we went in, that we never should have. We would spend the next 50 years being at the mercy of people we didn’t vote for, and will never know.

How wise she was.

Most of us in the UK are suffering at the mercy of people we didn't vote for.

varian

Most of us in the UK are suffering at the mercy of people we didn't vote for.

Totally agree Varian I didn’t vote for Mr.Blair who sent our son to fight an illegal war.

Sometimes our preferred candidate/party wins sometimes it doesn’t.

I did not vote for Blair. I voted for the Liberal Democrats who opposed the Iraq war.

Is it not time for our country to become a democracy where we can only be governed by a government which has the support of a majority of those who vote in a general election?

Remind me...who voted for Cummings?

Oh yes. No-one.

And who voted for all those people sitting in the House of Lords?

Oh yes. No-one.

varian

I did not vote for Blair. I voted for the Liberal Democrats who opposed the Iraq war.

Is it not time for our country to become a democracy where we can only be governed by a government which has the support of a majority of those who vote in a general election?

I cannot see it happening in the near future, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas

We desperately need a Constitutional Commission to redesign our so-called democracy.

DiscoDancer1975

I think Kali2, if you start another thread, you should make it clear, that only people who agree with you should respond.

I for one, am glad we’re out. My granny said in the year we went in, that we never should have. We would spend the next 50 years being at the mercy of people we didn’t vote for, and will never know.

How wise she was.

You just don't read what's written in the OP, do you? We are out; nothing will change that. The OP was not about who wanted in or out. That's old news.

The question (I think this is the third or fourth time it's been clarified) was about how, if we voted a government in next time that we want to take us back in (not real - just a scenario) WOULD WE BE TRUSTED?

Oh and my mother, 96 at the time, voted to stay in the EU. Talking about an individual (still!!!) make not a blind bit of difference.

Nobody is asking you to agree but you are trying to agree with a question that wasn't asked.

Exactly Pippa.

WOULD WE BE TRUSTED?

I'd say so. New generations. New society. We forgive and forget. Move on. Totally different environments.

Will the EU still exist as is? We have no idea.

I note that despite my links that could take people to some actual facts many of you haven't bothered to look. It's about time some of you did a bit more research. But no, you prefer to stick with some garbage that you've picked up.

Two little facts for you. Since 2014 more than 20,000 migrants and refugees have died in the Med. In 2019 alone it was 1,300.

The following figures relate to the Channel crossing

How many people have died crossing the English Channel?
The Channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world and subject to strong currents and fast changing weather. Six people are reported to have died and three went missing during 2020, a slight increase on numbers in 2019, when four deaths were recorded on "just 203 crossings and attempted crossings."Jan 12, 2021

So, do you believe those figures or are they made up?

You are talking very long-term here. Personally I was thinking of a situation in 2 years time- after next election. I truly believe that only a totally new Government, who has not been involved in the present debacle, would have any chance. and it would have to be shown that a strong majority would be in favour, at least 65%- none of this namby pamby 52/48 (as Farage always said).

I think a Norway style option is the most likely to succeed.

It does seem as the UK's decision and increasing demise (and we ain't seen nothing yet as the full conditions have not yet been implemented re exports, etc)- has reall strengthened the EU, totally contrary to what was expected by many.

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And totally wrong and irrelevant suppositions too.

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Not at all- some highjacked the threat for their own purpose, and I merely responded as it was clear most had not intention of discussing the issue of trust.

I have not denigrated the UK, at all- and I have explained why is truly matters to me and many others. I have denigrated, and called out, this Prime Minister and his Governement, who are causing so much damage to our reputation as a great country. There is a massive difference.

Deja vu......

I have not denigrated the UK, at all- and I have explained why is truly matters to me and many others. I have denigrated, and called out, this Prime Minister and his Governement, who are causing so much damage to our reputation as a great country. There is a massive difference

But you live elsewhere?

There's some suspected racism going on in another thread. I guess here it's just xenophobia and bullying. ?

Kali2 if you live in France please respond to my post regarding current events where you live. Is this Macron chap as good or bad than Boris? Do you think he would 'trust' Boris, if it was in his France's interest?

There’s certainly xenophobia going on.....about the UK.

Those of us carrying British passports will always care about Britain and its standing in the world wherever we are currently living. We all have memories and most of us families still living in Britain. We are entitled to have opinions as many of us emigrants still pay taxes in Britain.