Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

DiscoDancer1975

lemongrove

I happen to think your attacks on the UK are sick and wrong, so there we are.You start thread after thread after thread all designed to denigrate the nation, and have done so for years.
Whilst claiming to love the UK....and living in France.
The rules allow it, but expect posters to get very tired of it.

PippwZ. I thought this quote says it all about the OP. I don’t know her personally. You however....seem preoccupied with straw men, whoever they are. You’re also not a very pleasant poster.

I know what Kali2 was asking, and my imagination isn’t that good. No one’s going to change their minds, and people won’t turn away from us.

I was just highlighting the fact that all these discussions attract nasty, patronising responses, unless you agree with them.

Of course, you thought that post reflects your views of the OP. It makes the type of comments Johnson wants everyone to believe.

That post suggests that the OP is making "attacks" on the UK - not true. It encourages the poor reader to believe that no one is allowed to post about the UK if they happen to be living abroad - not true. Just how obscene is it to suggest someone currently travelling or living abroad is an outsider, an "other".

You say You are not a pleasant poster. I get it - I don't share the views of those who support Johnson and his "culture war" team. I don't share the views of those who support Johnson in his lies. I don't share the views of those who support Johnson and his deliberate administration of pain to groups of "othered" people.

I don't and I wouldn't have agreed with anyone who supported the Sado-populists of the past or currently in other countries. They simply seek to promote division and hate and those who support them aid them in this goal but none of that makes me an unpleasant poster, just one who will do anything to bring the truth about Johnson and the New Tories out into the open.

Oh, you don’t like Boris then??

Kali2

Thank you PippaZ, exactly that.

And yes Frenchie, the whole world is looking at that is happening in the UK and shaking its head in disbelief, about the UK situation and people as a whole, whether Lemon and others believe it, or not- makes little difference.

I'm interested how you appear to be conversant with the opinions of *the whole world* Kali2, gleaned from one item of the business section of an American news channel, owned by Warner Media, which has been the subject of many allegations of bias.

lemongrove

Oh, you don’t like Boris then??

???

Alegrias1

There's some suspected racism going on in another thread. I guess here it's just xenophobia and bullying. ?

Yes! Don’t agree with you that often ,Algerias1 but you are spot on with that comment. ?

Just to be clear - I think the xenophobia and bullying is coming from the people who call others "remoaners" and tell them to stay out of the country.

Do we still agree nanna8? Hope so

For some reason, kali2 attracts the ire of certain posters, even though kali2 ‘s opinions are no different to others, including myself.

Thread after thread shows a level of unpleasantness and bullying not given out to others of the same opinions but given out in spades to to this poster.

Those dishing it out should look to themselves and understand that bullying and nastiness only reflects badly on themselves. Other posters are reading this unpleasantness and forming an opinion about the bully’s character.

There does seem to be a few posters who post endless threads slagging off the UK & it’s government - it’s actually quite boring now.

You despise this country - ok we get it.
Maybe look for a few positives in your life and find a little happiness.

Yes, WWM. And after the fairly recent (a few months ago) repercussions of bullying, I would have thought the usual suspects would know better.

Oh give over whitewave ?
There is no ‘bullying’ ....(as you always say yourself when that word crops up ) it’s just disagreements on the subject.
Many posters disagree with the OP.

Kandinsky

There does seem to be a few posters who post endless threads slagging off the UK & it’s government - it’s actually quite boring now.

You despise this country - ok we get it.
Maybe look for a few positives in your life and find a little happiness.

You would hope so.?

Kandinsky

*And totally eroded the respect and trust other nations had for the UK*

The average person in the Uk couldn’t give a toss tbh, even if it is true.

Of course we do care. Many of us have relatives who live in Europe. Some of us live there ourselves. Most of us want to holiday there.

Being the reviled man or Europe is an embarrassment.

Alegrias1

Just to be clear - I think the xenophobia and bullying is coming from the people who call others "remoaners" and tell them to stay out of the country.

Do we still agree nanna8? Hope so

Yes, we do. ?

I just can't fathom why on Earth we'd want to rejoin the EU. I'd say 'We've left - get over it!'

I'm happy about that nanna8 ?

As for those saying there's no bullying, how would you describe somebody being asked what country they are in and then told to stay there because this is not their concern?

Clue - the answer is "bullying"

Kandinsky

There does seem to be a few posters who post endless threads slagging off the UK & it’s government - it’s actually quite boring now.

You despise this country - ok we get it.
Maybe look for a few positives in your life and find a little happiness.

I think that you and others like you should consider your words more carefully. No one has said that they despise the UK. What we are saying is that we don't like what is happening to the UK and we are entitled to be critical of that.

It is the govt and some of the people that we are critical of, not the country itself.

As for your last sentence I am very happy and have many positives in my life and I am sure that the others who have been criticised feel the same way.

Finally, if you don't want to read these threads, then don't.

I've asked a polite question based on my opinion that people in
other countries have so much to worry them with Covid, lockdowns, civil unrest, wars, famine, floods, wildfires that what is going on with the UK Z scarcely registers on their radar.

I'm just trying to gain a sense of perspective.
Yesterday's news on CNN Business is today's virtual fish and chip paper.

Kali2
If I may quote my DH: "It's never a good idea to go back". He does mean moving home back to somewhere you had left a few years previously but it may apply in other areas.

Everything changes, you may go back but events move on, people change, you never quite fit in any more.

Dinah it doesn’t sit well when posters in France ( yourself included) having left the UK, constantly grumble on about the
‘State of things’ over here. Especially when all it really means is that you would love it if Corbyn had got in at the last GE and had refused to honour the referendum result.All would be sweetness and light then by your thinking I presume.

Dinahmo

Maybe focus your time and energy on the many countries with appalling human rights records rather than worrying about a country like the UK.

Are we having a "demonstrate bullying to try to show there isn't any" competition?

lemongrove

Oh give over whitewave ?
There is no ‘bullying’ ....(as you always say yourself when that word crops up ) it’s just disagreements on the subject.
Many posters disagree with the OP.

Do you class yourself as one of those I was alluding to?

If so perhaps we could go over the various posts that have been made that might constitute bullying or harassment.

How about the post immediately after the OP.

How would you explain that?

Can the UK ever be trusted again?

May I turn that round?
Could we ever trust the EU if we were to rejoin?

Callistemon

^Can the UK ever be trusted again?^

May I turn that round?
Could we ever trust the EU if we were to rejoin?

Well put it this way.

The European Union can only function if it abides by the rules set done and agreed by all its members. It has a reputation for an absolute stickler to the rule book.

The U.K. has shown in 2 very short years that it is willing to break international law with impunity.

Who would you trust?

As Euripides said you can’t step in the same river twice. Things change but I can’t see us rejoining the EU any time soon. To think otherwise is to kid yourself. The dust will settle. There will be different people and new scenarios.