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Ken Loach may be kicked out of Labour

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GagaJo Tue 27-Jul-21 21:55:07

I'm in shock.

Legendary film-maker and lifelong political activist Ken Loach could be ejected from the Labour Party, it has been rumoured on social media.

It comes after Sir Keir Starmer purged 1,000 Labour leftwingers from four “poisonous” campaign groups as the party clamps down on supporters of the leader’s predecessor, Jeremy Corbyn.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/fury-amid-speculation-that-ken-loach-is-to-be-kicked-out-of-labour-party-283287/

Doodledog Wed 28-Jul-21 13:25:29

No.

I'm not saying that it can, and I've already said that Starmer is not doing things the way I would prefer, and that I am seriously considering whether to stay in the LP.

Where I am probably going to have to compromise is with voting though - I can't see a viable alternative.

Greeneyedgirl Wed 28-Jul-21 13:50:19

I was a Labour Party member for years but could see that the writing was on the wall as soon as Starmer was elected, and the party would no longer represent the socialist values that I hold dear, so I left. I didn’t even feel it was acceptable in the party to be a Palestinian supporter, I belong to FoP, although I am definitely not anti Semitic.
I have only ever voted Labour, and am in a similar position to you Doodledog.

Anniebach Wed 28-Jul-21 14:36:30

Who was the last far left Labour PM ?

JaneJudge Wed 28-Jul-21 14:37:45

well that was depressing sad

Dinahmo Wed 28-Jul-21 14:55:46

I, Daniel Blake which won the Palme D'Or at Cannes in 2016 is a brilliant film and an indictment of the British benefits system. I watched it in France with some French friends and afterwards said it was a good example of how things were in England at that time. They said that it was the same in France.

The film illustrates just how easy it is for something to go wrong in ones life and to then fall through the system. through no fault of one's own.

I think it would be a mistake for him to be kicked out of the LP just because of his association with Corbyn

Anniebach Wed 28-Jul-21 15:03:33

But it isn’t associating with Corbyn, it’s joining a group supporting Corbyn isn’t it ?

MaizieD Wed 28-Jul-21 15:20:35

I think it would be a mistake for him to be kicked out of the LP just because of his association with Corbyn

Isn't it because of his membership of a now proscribed organisation? Not his association with Corbyn.

trisher Wed 28-Jul-21 15:22:12

If you read the letter he is seriously concerned about local parties being silenced by regional officers making it impossiblle for them to function properly. He hasn't had a reply so maybe they are just processing his removal.

Izabella Wed 28-Jul-21 20:10:08

Sorry to lower the tone, but the latest addition to our aquarium is a roach. We call him Ken

Izabella Wed 28-Jul-21 20:10:37

Sorry Loach

JaneJudge Wed 28-Jul-21 20:21:43

Izabella

Sorry to lower the tone, but the latest addition to our aquarium is a roach. We call him Ken

are all the fish called Wanda?

Whatdayisit Wed 28-Jul-21 21:43:03

Anniebach

Who was the last far left Labour PM ?

Harold Wilson?

Callistemon Wed 28-Jul-21 22:31:54

Whatdayisit

Anniebach

Who was the last far left Labour PM ?

Harold Wilson?

I would have said he was a pragmatic left winger, knew what would win elections coupled with a certain down-to-earth charm.

None since has managed to achieve that tightrope walk.

He was supposedly the Queen's favourite PM of all.

Whatdayisit Wed 28-Jul-21 22:34:31

Yes Callistemon that is a touching thought about the Queen and Harold Wilson.
I think the electorate has changed since Harold Wilson.

Anniebach Thu 29-Jul-21 08:03:52

Harold Wilson ? A good man who kept Lord Robens in his job
as head of the National Coal Board after the Aberfan Disaster,
even though Robens was found at the enquiry to be ‘economical with the truth’

Wilson had no problem with money being taken from the disaster fund to pay for the removal of the tips, this was an illegal act.

The money was returned to Aberfan by Tony Blair

Grany Thu 29-Jul-21 09:24:22

Before Jeremy Corbyn, There Was Michael Foot
BY
RICHARD JOHNSON
Michael Foot was a giant of Labour Party politics. The attempts by Labour centrists to diminish his legacy after his death only reveal the extent to which his socialism, like that of Jeremy Corbyn, threatened the British establishment.

www.jacobinmag.com/2021/07/michael-foot-uk-labour-party-legacy-defeat-sdp-socialism-1983-election?fbclid=IwAR1cdek25Of2KKluSMXnV9PAU9vHNIfeDQlGAikD3Yxgjl3bG2hgXgWoaVo

Anniebach Thu 29-Jul-21 09:32:20

Michael Foot, 1983 election ! gave us 14 years in the political
wilderness and Thatcher.

MayBee70 Thu 29-Jul-21 09:36:02

But Michael Foot didn’t win an election did he. Let’s just constantly moan about the Labour Party and keep the Conservative party in power forever shall we….

MayBee70 Thu 29-Jul-21 09:40:43

Anniebach

Harold Wilson ? A good man who kept Lord Robens in his job
as head of the National Coal Board after the Aberfan Disaster,
even though Robens was found at the enquiry to be ‘economical with the truth’

Wilson had no problem with money being taken from the disaster fund to pay for the removal of the tips, this was an illegal act.

The money was returned to Aberfan by Tony Blair

Good heavens. You mean to say the quasi Conservative Tony Blair actually did something good? Anyone would think the equally Tory light Starmer might actually be good for the country. But no, let’s just keep on fighting and allow people to think the Labour Party are not fit to govern. Goodbye NHS….

Lovetopaint037 Thu 29-Jul-21 09:51:09

The only way the Labour Party is ever going to be electable is to come down hard on the extreme left. At least Starmer has the guts to do it.

Callistemon Thu 29-Jul-21 10:00:44

MayBee70

But Michael Foot didn’t win an election did he. Let’s just constantly moan about the Labour Party and keep the Conservative party in power forever shall we….

That's because Labour were in the political wilderness as Anniebach says.

To be fair, it was probably James Callaghan who gave us Margaret Thatcher.

When Labour realise what the majority of the electorate want and not what Labour thinks they should have, then they may win.

They will never be able to introduce any of their policies unless they win power, will they!
Or is that just too simple for some to understand?
Perhaps some can't see the wood for the trees.

MayBee70 Thu 29-Jul-21 10:05:49

Well I’m rejoining the Labour Party again. And for all those people going on about Cathy Come Home etc I actually grew up in the street next to where Cathy Cone Home was filmed so I understand how important it is for a government to actually care for kids living now that are like I was back then. Many extreme left wing Labour Party members don’t actually know what it’s like to actually be dirt poor.

MaizieD Thu 29-Jul-21 10:41:07

When Labour realise what the majority of the electorate want and not what Labour thinks they should have, then they may win.

Anyone care to tell us what 'the majority of the electorate' want? In specific terms, not just this generalised complaint that Labour isn't in tune with voters, not even with 'it's' voters. Because I'm sick to death at reading article after article telling us that Labour isn't offering what voters want, without actually explaining what it is that they 'want'.

I don't know what voters want. I know what I want, but don't have a clue if other voters want it.

So come on then, all those who seem to know what 'the majority of the electorate want'. Do tell us..

Anniebach Thu 29-Jul-21 10:57:35

Winter of discontent !

Callistemon Thu 29-Jul-21 11:03:37

Well, Blair et al seemed to know, at least for quite a while. It would seem fairly obvious - a party of moderates.

The majority do not want extremism of any kind.
They want someone who seems to be decisive - neither Corbyn then nor Johnson now are decisive.
Nor a party which is particularly divisive as both main parties are at present.

A party which appeals to the majority is, of necessity, not a party of extremism.