RNLI and Farage

Farage and the Mail Online. Why am I not convinced?

Some of us just don't want the RLNI taken advantage of but this thread has taken a huge downturn by the hate brigade.

Well that told you Harv1. I think Alegrias1 must have a comfortable lifestyle to make such an insensitive retort. Many people in the UK live in difficult circumstances. Homelessness is massive. Too many people using foodbanks. I can fully understand UK citizens being concerned refugees will be a further drain on the system. Actually, I don't think the numbers would be significant. The real issue is traffickers putting lives in danger and whether the actions of the RNLI are exacerbating this problem.

Harv1

I don’t mind who comes to Britain, but would everybody just put Donation in the pot every week to house them all, for the rest of there duration . For Gods sake this country is all But on it knees .

Alegrias, you are the most argumentative, patronising poster on here. I’ve never ‘ seen’ Harv1 before, but you immediately jumped down her throat.
I’m surprised you’ve not been banned from gransnet.
Quite right Holysox, there’s no point trying to have a discussion with some people.

Farage would be living in the USA if Trump had got voted in again - remember that when he is spouting his anti asylum seeker rubbish and waving the Union flag.
His allegiance to Trump is well on record, and the anarchic, wall building, gun promoting, lying, racist Trump is not to be admired.

Well said toad and Holysox. I agree.

“ Perhaps in future WWM2 should start her threads 'todays rant about Farage, Boris, Brexit, etc. '. Think I'll avoid these in future.”

Others could start one “Today’s rant about Meghan Harry, being Woke, Corbyn”

The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 26.4 million refugees, forcibly displaced across the world

The Refugee Council

Harv1

I don’t mind who comes to Britain, but would everybody just put Donation in the pot every week to house them all, for the rest of there duration . For Gods sake this country is all But on it knees .

The country is on its knees because of the billions pilfered by the Cons and their mates (PPE, Test and Trace anyone?) NOT because of desperate refugees.

Unless you think it's ok that our taxes went straight into the pockets of multi millionaires for totally inadequate services that failed Britain in its time of need.

Are you a mod, Toadinthehole? If not, pot/kettle.

There are far too many personal attacks on this thread, far too many thread police. Ironically, most of them jumping on a couple of posters are the same people who keep reminding us that there is free speech in this country.

StoneofDestiny

*The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 26.4 million refugees, forcibly displaced across the world*

The Refugee Council

Yes this! Just how have Farage and his ilk (Daily Mail, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson - nice company!) managed to convince the ‘small overcrowded island’ people that immigrants are the problem? What a trick.

Just a quick google search provides evidence that immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy.

Just how have Farage and his ilk (Daily Mail, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson - nice company!) managed to convince the ‘small overcrowded island’ people that immigrants are the problem? What a trick

Because they lie and play to peoples prejudices. It's scary. It's exactly what Hitler did. Some posters on here would have wanted the RNLI to turn back refugees from Nazi Germany.

The Conservative party promised to protect an expected 3000 vulnerable children travelling to the UK on their own
They have now closed this scheme after accepting only 480 children
Patel now wants to strip away safe and legal routes to the UK, forcing people to take the most dangerous routes
It's inhumane and shames us all

This seems a very emotive subject, which appears to reflect political views, but I see it as a humanitarian problem.
We don’t pull our weight in the U.K. with regard to taking refugees and accept far fewer than most EU countries.
I am so so grateful that purely by accident of birth my family are not amongst those risking their lives to reach a safe country such as ours.
Farage may have done the RNLI a favour (unintended consequence) because their donations have increased hugely since his criticism, £200,000 in a single day, and volunteering inquiries also increased.

HolySox

Well that told you Harv1. I think Alegrias1 must have a comfortable lifestyle to make such an insensitive retort. Many people in the UK live in difficult circumstances. Homelessness is massive. Too many people using foodbanks. I can fully understand UK citizens being concerned refugees will be a further drain on the system. Actually, I don't think the numbers would be significant. The real issue is traffickers putting lives in danger and whether the actions of the RNLI are exacerbating this problem.

Well that's quite an insulting and dismissive assumption HolySox, but about par for the course on this thread.

I agree with you about homelessness, foodbanks and the difficult circumstances people find themselves in. But I am led to ask, in an economy that is so large, so prosperous, how can it be so? Is it the people coming here to escape persecution and make their lives better, or is it the greedy, self interested and criminally incompetent governments we've had for the last decade? The individuals who always seem to be able to leave government richer individually than when they entered it? The ones who tell us there's no money for school meals but manage to find the cash to buy a nice new yacht and underwrite HS2?

Scapegoating the migrants won't get us out of this mess and I'm going to keep telling people who have got that wrong. Nobody dared say it in 2016 and look where that got us.

So anybody who thinks I’m argumentative and patronising, report me and see if I get banned. I’ll take it on the chin. Giving actual facts rather than regurgitating Farage’s nonsense isn’t being patronising.

So I’ll say this as unargumentatively and unpatronisingly as I can. The RNLI are not exacerbating the problem.

AGAA4

This has just turned into a hate Farage fest including any poster who has an opposing view. Some of the assumptions being made are ludicrous.

Spot on AGA
Posters may not like Farage but agree with the view that the RNLI shouldn’t be used the way it is.It isn’t ‘made up’ it’s in the news.
As I and Callistemon and other posters have said, rescuing illegal immigrants/ asylum seekers crossing the Channel is the
Job of the RN and Coastguard Patrols.
If Farage hadn’t commented on this news item, but somebody else had ( somebody posters respected) and said much the same thing ....that the RNLI is being used when they shouldn’t be, I wonder if there would have been the same reaction?
Tbh I don’t know who is calling out the lifeboat men, is it the Coastguard , the RN, or who?
When did the RNLI start getting involved with this? Has it been the case all along for years or something new?

Just had a quick look at the posts. Even after my morning comment it still goes on. Oh dear, 'do as I say, believe what I tell you, or you are an awful person'. I hope the sun is shining tomorrow and people will be ' a bit nicer'. I can but hope!

Do keep up Lemon, we have been over this many times on this thread. The RNLI are volunteers who rescue people in trouble at sea, whatever the reason for them being in said trouble. Personally, if I was a RNLI volunteer I would be fed up if I was called out to rescue a load of drunken idiots who got into trouble on their yacht, but it is what it is. The actions of the RNLI are, thankfully, non-political because we can be sure if they were anything other than volunteers this sodding Tory government would have sold them off to their mates in the city by now. I could write a lot more, but you know what, I am disgusted that I am having to argue the point with people.

Hard to get your head around being from a country where a globally-respected life-saving maritime rescue organisation made up largely of volunteers has to defend what it does because some in our country would prefer that people drowned. What on earth has happened to Britain?

Thank you GillT for telling me what the RNLI do....I would never have known.
Wouldn’t it be nice if posters managed to keep an emotional lid on things.There is no need to ‘argue’ the point with people, we can just state our opinions on the matter.
It’s not a competition that you need to ‘win’.

Alegrias1 glad we agree there are many social issues that need addressing. Can the Torues do it? Can Labour? But that is another thread (or should I say rant). I quoted not the MailOnline but also the RNLI's own YouTube post. They are definitely picking up these refugees but if you look at their video the people they are 'rescuing' don't look to be in imminent danger. On the RNLI website the Chief executive makes a statement about their 'humanitarian' activites so I think GillT57 is wrong. This looks very much like politcal action.

Do we think people are donating to send RNLI boats to collect refugees?

Peasblossom explained pages ago the whys and hows re the RNLI as her family have always been involved

HolySox

Alegrias1 glad we agree there are many social issues that need addressing. Can the Torues do it? Can Labour? But that is another thread (or should I say rant). I quoted not the MailOnline but also the RNLI's own YouTube post. They are definitely picking up these refugees but if you look at their video the people they are 'rescuing' don't look to be in imminent danger. On the RNLI website the Chief executive makes a statement about their 'humanitarian' activites so I think GillT57 is wrong. This looks very much like politcal action.

Do we think people are donating to send RNLI boats to collect refugees?

I think people donate to the RNLI so they can save people who otherwise would drown.

The RNLI devote their time voluntarily to save the lives of fellow human beings. That is all.

They do not label them, they do not judge them, they simply show humanity. They are the very best of what Britain is about.