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RNLI and Farage

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 29-Jul-21 09:44:45

I am finding it difficult to get my brain around the concept, that there are people in this country who would rather let a world wide respected maritime organisation see people drown than save them.

I just hope that Farage criticising them for doing their job ensures that they have the best year yet from donations.

HolySox Fri 30-Jul-21 19:33:20

StoneofDestiny

*The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 26.4 million refugees, forcibly displaced across the world*

The Refugee Council

Roughly speaking 70 million people live in the UK and 7 billion in the world. So 1% of world population in the UK has 1% of refugees.

How many more should we take?

Lincslass Fri 30-Jul-21 19:33:56

Your comments is as disgusting, as you say he is.

Alegrias1 Fri 30-Jul-21 19:38:06

Population of Lebanon, 6 million.

Number of refugees in Lebanon, 1.2 million.

GDP per head of population Lebanon, about $8,000US

GDP per head of population UK, about $43,000US

We could probably help out a bit more.

Callistemon Fri 30-Jul-21 19:39:05

Alegrias1

Harv1

I don’t mind who comes to Britain, but would everybody just put Donation in the pot every week to house them all, for the rest of there duration . For Gods sake this country is all But on it knees .

They make their own donations, it's called tax.

We're not on our knees, whatever Johnson and his band of merry men tell you. We're the 5th (6th?) richest country in the world.

If you Google "The UK is on its knees" you will find lots of references to the UK, various bits of it, being on its knees but it's just the media using dramatic licence.

There is a lot wrong here but the UK is well within the top ten of richest countries in the world, about 5th or 6th.
It just needs better distribution.

Callistemon Fri 30-Jul-21 19:40:25

Luckygirl

The RNLI devote their time voluntarily to save the lives of fellow human beings. That is all.

They do not label them, they do not judge them, they simply show humanity. They are the very best of what Britain is about.

Well said, Luckygirl

Lincslass Fri 30-Jul-21 19:42:47

Well well, these immigrants have certainly made themselves some money whilst managing to live in this country,? legally, if so we need to be more choosy who we do admit. Preying on the misery of others.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/24/kingpins-in-channel-smuggling-operations-living-freely-in-the-uk-say-migrants

Lincslass Fri 30-Jul-21 19:44:46

Sick of all the viciousness, not all immigrants are an asset to this country, see the article from The Guardian. Sure they wouldn’t tell fibs.

ayse Fri 30-Jul-21 19:44:52

I wondered after all the ‘debate’ and mudslinging how the RNLI work with The Coastguard service.

The Coastguard, according to the RNLI are the prime mover.
rnli.org/magazine/magazine-featured-list/2021/march/six-steps-to-rescue

So for anyone to suggest that the RNLI are working in isolation is not correct. Perhaps Farage could get his ducks in order before commenting on the RNLI.

After reading the first 4 pages I called the RNLI and made a donation. The saving of life is their first priority IMO with politics being at the bottom of their list.

Alegrias1 Fri 30-Jul-21 19:45:26

Oh just stop it. 3 men.

3 men out of the thousands who come here and enrich our nation.

HolySox Fri 30-Jul-21 19:47:51

People in RNLI video are not drowning. They are sitting comfortably in a dinghy. It even has an outboard motor.

I also agree in that I think people are donating to save lives but seems the RNLI's 'Humanitarian' work is be going beyond this. No wonder people like Farage can accuse them of running a taxi service for traffickers!

Alegrias1 Fri 30-Jul-21 19:51:49

When do we decide they are drowning? When their boat capsizes? When they fall in the water and start to sink? When they start turning blue from the cold? When their bodies turn up on Norwegian beaches?

Your continual attempts to discredit what the RNLI are doing do you no credit at all.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/08/artins-journey-asylum-seeker-speaks-of-the-smuggling-trade-that-killed-iranian-baby

Whitewavemark2 Fri 30-Jul-21 20:03:53

DiscoDancer1975

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975 If you are going to use scare tactics (an increase of 20% income tax) do please to use some accurate figures please. Also' there is no need to build on green belt land. It's just easier for developers to do that' rather than brown field sites which cost money to clear.

Finally, there are people who have done so or are sharing their homes with refugees.

I didn’t say that! WWM did.

No I didn’t???

Deedaa Fri 30-Jul-21 20:04:55

Alegriasl I read a lifeboat crewman saying that you have to be out there to judge whether people are in danger of drowning. He said the reality of people in a small boat at sea is not the same as watching a bit of video. I imagine we would soon hear complaints from the men involved if they felt they were being used as taxis.

Peasblossom Fri 30-Jul-21 20:06:06

Holysox, I have to assume that you don’t have much to do with the sea.

Anybody in an inflatable in the English Channel is in danger. Whether they are migrants or someone who who doesn’t understand the sea and dozed off near the beach before being swept away.

The kind of outboard motor that can be attached to and inflatable is insufficient to over come the forces of tide, wind and wave.

It takes a lifetime to understand the sea and what it can do. The RNLI is called out when rescue is needed, not as a taxi service. Border Force intercepts and escorts those boats that are not in danger.

MaizieD Fri 30-Jul-21 20:09:44

^ but if you look at their video the people they are 'rescuing' don't look to be in imminent danger.^

I'd suggest, HolySox that you try crossing one of the most crowded waterways in Europe in a crowded rubber dinghy (not much between you and the water) of dubious quality, wearing a life jacket of dubious quality (or even some plastic bottles laced together), with a motor which might, or might not get you across the 22 mile stretch (because the people smugglers aren't too bothered about the safety and reliability of the boat they're sending their victims off in) and then report back to us on how safe you felt the experience was...

Lincslass Fri 30-Jul-21 20:16:16

Alegrias1

Oh just stop it. 3 men.

3 men out of the thousands who come here and enrich our nation.

Typical rudeness, and dismissive of anything others say. If it wasn’t for these three, people wouldn’t be drowning. Glad you think it’s ok for them to be making thousands from people in despair. Will you stop it.

StoneofDestiny Fri 30-Jul-21 20:16:31

Published by the Institue for Race Relations and the Permanent People's Tribunal, the report draws on data collected by French migrant support group Gisti. It finds that there have been at least 296 deaths from attempts to cross the Channel in the past 20 years, although the exact number will never be known

Whitewavemark2 Fri 30-Jul-21 20:19:04

Refugees when they are giving settled status give back far more than they ever take out of any nation.

25Avalon Fri 30-Jul-21 20:27:38

Why don’t they come by legal safe routes instead of paying up to £20,000 to put themselves in danger on the sea?

Alegrias1 Fri 30-Jul-21 20:27:42

Lincslass

Alegrias1

Oh just stop it. 3 men.

3 men out of the thousands who come here and enrich our nation.

Typical rudeness, and dismissive of anything others say. If it wasn’t for these three, people wouldn’t be drowning. Glad you think it’s ok for them to be making thousands from people in despair. Will you stop it.

Yes, I'll stop it. When you're banging your head against a wall it feels good to stop.

25Avalon Fri 30-Jul-21 20:28:52

So we are one of the richest nations? Thought Brexit had wrecked us? You can’t have it bothe ways.

Alegrias1 Fri 30-Jul-21 20:37:35

25Avalon

So we are one of the richest nations? Thought Brexit had wrecked us? You can’t have it bothe ways.

This is the kind of grasp of economics that got us where we are today. We are less than we were. We are less than we could be. Many are worse. But Brexit Britain doesn't care.

Elleee Fri 30-Jul-21 20:38:27

25Avalon
This is how the wealth is distributed though

Dinahmo Fri 30-Jul-21 20:48:17

DiscoDancer1975

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975 If you are going to use scare tactics (an increase of 20% income tax) do please to use some accurate figures please. Also' there is no need to build on green belt land. It's just easier for developers to do that' rather than brown field sites which cost money to clear.

Finally, there are people who have done so or are sharing their homes with refugees.

I didn’t say that! WWM did.

The train was Avalon in response to liberal0 and then you gave it a thumbs up emoji.

Dinahmo Fri 30-Jul-21 20:58:17

It's interesting how yet again the messenger, and people who agree with her, are being attacked, rather than the message.