RNLI and Farage

Good grief. These “immigrants” who are binge rescued are human being like us, not an inferior species.

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975 If you are going to use scare tactics (an increase of 20% income tax) do please to use some accurate figures please. Also' there is no need to build on green belt land. It's just easier for developers to do that' rather than brown field sites which cost money to clear.

Finally, there are people who have done so or are sharing their homes with refugees.

I didn’t say that! WWM did.

The train was Avalon in response to liberal0 and then you gave it a thumbs up emoji.

Yes, my apologies to WWM. I think this had made my head spin!

I am not saying we shouldn't help people in need. The concern is send one boat to pick up refugees and more come. We send more boats, even more refugees come. We run out of boats to send (RNLI only has a handful of life boats on the South Coast) but now more refugees are willing to risk the crossing and we're pulling bodies out of the water every day.

Let us not forget they are not trying to escape some evil regime. They are coming from France.

Anybody in an inflatable in the English Channel is in danger. Whether they are migrants or someone who who doesn’t understand the sea and dozed off near the beach before being swept away

That’s right peasblossom, so if we just had one boat, which ‘group’ do you save? The ones here legally, or the ones trying to enter illegally?

This is a very likely scenario if we keep on keeping on, as Holysox seems to be trying to say.

Yes it was me tee hee!

Let us not forget they are not trying to escape some evil regime. They are coming from France.

They are trying to escape from the evil regime in their own country.

Please do not repeat the nonsense that France is a 'safe country' so that is where they should claim asylum. This is absolutely not true under international law. Asylum can be claimed in any country, irrespective of the countries the asylum seeker has passed through.

That’s right peasblossom, so if we just had one boat, which ‘group’ do you save? The ones here legally, or the ones trying to enter illegally?

The ones most likely to live. Because they are all human.

I could literally weep at some of these comments, how very disappointing
'who would you save?'
Jeezo

This is the country that Farage and the like have led us to be. Its shameful, and people think its acceptable. That it's even laudable.

Sweet moderation, heart of this nation.
Desert us not, we are between the wars.

Alegrias1

This is the country that Farage and the like have led us to be. Its shameful, and people think its acceptable. That it's even laudable.

Sweet moderation, heart of this nation.
^Desert us not, we are between the wars.^

Farage taps into the the worst bits of mankind and uses it to propagate his own particular brand of evil.

I have just listened to Farage's 'I have fought bigger and uglier than you people in Poole' broadcast.

Isn't it interested that he says if he was a business man who was volunteering for the RNLI he would give up the RNLI if it meant he was losing money.

Does he really think that RNLI volunteers do a cost benefit analysis and weigh up how much each shout will cost them? He is made of different stuff than the men and women who risk their lives time after time to save anyone in danger and has no concept of the all encompassing nature of their self sacrifice.

Alegrias1

I've just watched his rant, at least I watched 2 minutes. What on earth was he thinking? And it all comes down to money, in his mind, those poor businessmen on the South Coast who keep being called out to save lives, how must their businesses be suffering?

I can't believe anyone falls for this rubbish, surely. If they do, what kind of people are they?

Too many question marks, I know...

I'm sure much has been said since you posted this Alegrais1 but I am just catching up.

There was a fascinating programme on Radio 4 this morning. People are not falling for anything. They are, the expert said, clutching at anything they can to make them feel less fearful. The more the government - and other governments elsewhere - wind people up and point them at some "other", the more hate we will see - and they will feel just a little less fearful. It takes a bit of clever manouvering of people's fears to get them to turn on the RNLI though.

Alegrias1 You'd already posted what I just wrote. I missed that earlier. Apologies.

No worries MoorlandMooner

PippaZ They are falling for whatever false stories the government or whoever else are telling them. "Fear" is not an excuse for turning on people who are not like you. I think we can all recall from history how that ends. Sorry, no sympathy.

I think the major factor motivating all actions is fear.

It dictates all the things we do and all the things we don't.

It makes it a good tool for those seeking to manipulate.

DiscoDancer1975

^Anybody in an inflatable in the English Channel is in danger. Whether they are migrants or someone who who doesn’t understand the sea and dozed off near the beach before being swept away^

That’s right peasblossom, so if we just had one boat, which ‘group’ do you save? The ones here legally, or the ones trying to enter illegally?

This is a very likely scenario if we keep on keeping on, as Holysox seems to be trying to say.

Oh Discodancer, do you know what they would do.

They would go out, in one of their own boats, even though it’s not a fully equipped lifeboat, even though it would put their own lives at risk. They would take out two boats, or three, or four if needed. Because that’s what people who know the sea do.

They don’t play politics with peoples lives. They just save them.

Yup. Bullying again. It'd only just stopped on the other thread (not naming it, not a thread about a thread).

NO idea why it's necessary to resort to that. Passionate disagreements about the topic, fine. Personal attacks, not fine.

Lincslass

Sick of all the viciousness, not all immigrants are an asset to this country, see the article from The Guardian. Sure they wouldn’t tell fibs.

I think we have been getting a good example that not all citizens are an asset to their country. But that is a given. These are, after all, just a group of human beings. There are levels of what we could call good and less good in all groups of human beings. The only thing we can know is that immigrants are both brave and determined.

25Avalon

So we are one of the richest nations? Thought Brexit had wrecked us? You can’t have it bothe ways.

We have seen very few of the consequences of Brexit. Did you think it would all be apparent the next day? Bear with it; we will all get a clearer view of just what the bumbling crew who took us into it have done to us. I'm not sure that empty shelves are a good thing, are they? You really can't blame that on immigrants.

HolySox

I am not saying we shouldn't help people in need. The concern is send one boat to pick up refugees and more come. We send more boats, even more refugees come. We run out of boats to send (RNLI only has a handful of life boats on the South Coast) but now more refugees are willing to risk the crossing and we're pulling bodies out of the water every day.

Let us not forget they are not trying to escape some evil regime. They are coming from France.

You do know they are not French, don't you? Once they have left whatever has driven them out, they are allowed to chose which country they want to apply in. Refugees can legitimately claim asylum in the UK after passing through other "safe” countries. But you must know that by now. It has been said so often on here.

Alegrias1

No worries MoorlandMooner

PippaZ They are falling for whatever false stories the government or whoever else are telling them. "Fear" is not an excuse for turning on people who are not like you. I think we can all recall from history how that ends. Sorry, no sympathy.

I did not suggest it was an excuse. It is a fact and one this government know exactly how to play. Perhaps the time has come that those who disagree with the methods of this government need to ensure they don't heap coal upon coal.

Whitewavemark2

Johnson has given the French £50million to help control our borders????.

Those very same borders he wanted total contol of when he forced Brexshit on us all.

I'm devoutly hoping we in Scotland gain our independence soon, as this evil, racist, elitist Westminster government's policies are making me thoroughly ashamed to be called "British"

Thank God for all those good people who donated to the RNLI after Farage's abominable tirade.

What a load of paranoid people on this thread, full of bile and pessimism.

We all know lifeboatmen are unassuming heroes as are other emergency services. My uncle was an auxiliary fireman with a bell and his kit hung up by the door. When that bell went off so was he as the nearest to the station.

Let us remember the Penlee Disaster in 1981 when 8 lifeboatmen gave their lives. Let us remember 12th January 1899 when, unable to launch the lifeboat in heavy seas, the Lynton lifeboat men dragged the heavy boat 13 miles in terrible weather up a 434m hill and across Exmoor, taking 11 hours to reach Porlock Weir. There they launched the boat and saved the lives of 18 crew before rowing all the way back to
Lynton.

No one queries the heroism and dedication of lifeboatmen. When the call comes they will turn out. Something has to be done to stop all these migrants getting on the water in the first place with reports of some paying up to £20,000 to the traffickers. Not all poor refugees. If they had no money the traffickers wouldn’t be interested. Think of the Vietnamese migrants who died trapped in that refrigerated lorry. Traffickers are evil and it is against them vitriol should be extended.

What annoys me, for one 25Avalon, is the muddied thinking and the blaming. Long post follows.

More people are trying to reach the UK via the Channel or in the back of trucks because other, safer routes are being closed to them. This country has adopted a system that makes it difficult to apply for asylum in this country unless you are already here. Now we can debate till Kingdom Come why they want to come to the UK, rather than stay in France or anywhere else, but they do want to come.

Nobody is questioning that the traffickers are taking advantage of this situation. They are preying on these people. But they are responding to a market demand. Take away one set of traffickers and another will pop up; what we need to do is remove the need to people for try to get to our country by unsafe means.

There is also the question of what happens to them when they get here; either they have a right to be here or they don't. If they do, excellent. If they don't they should be deported. But we can deport people in a humane way, not the way we do it now. Making such a system work effectively is the government's responsibility, but its far easier for them to blame the shadowy traffickers and pretending that all we have to do is find them and punish them and then the situation will go away, without actually solving the problem that causes them to exist in the first place.

Then there's Farage. Nobody can deny that his one and only big message could be described as "Britain First". Maybe "Britain First and sod the rest of them". He has found half a story - the RNLI saving migrants from unseaworthy vessels - and made it into a huge deal, pretending that the RNLI are being taken advantage of and they are going to be overwhelmed with "undeserving" people wanting their services. When I see comments about how the RNLI wouldn't be able to save "our" people because they are saving someone else, someone less deserving, its distressing.

Farage is not exposing something that needs to be fixed, he is exploiting a situation of the governments making to put himself in the public eye and stir up anti-refugee feeling, purely for selfish purposes.

Some refugees have £20,000, yes. But they don't have a home to go back to, and given the choice would you rather have £20,000 or a life in your home country where you could feed your family and not worry about dying every night? I'll never make any excuses for verbally attacking Farage.

Never been prouder than when he came to Scotland and had to hide in a pub, because the locals told him quite forcefully what they thought of him. He's never been back (officially) because he's a thug, a bully and a coward.

Well said Alegrias1.