So many dreams for our youngsters dashed.

How much does a flight to NZ cost?

How much does it cost to hitch-hike to Dover, get on the ferry, and hitch-hike across France and Europe, as so many of us have done in the past. Or Inter-rail, or National Express of other coach companies, many of them with bike carriage.

I think I’ve mentioned this before but they aren’t all hooray Henry’s. Plenty non posh students I ve known went to work in Europe , in. Campsites, yes ski resorts but also hotels, families etc.

Daisend1

Anything in life worth having rarely comes easy,
BREXIT .or no Brexit

I'm not sure why you have to shout but I agree, many people do find life and living do not come easily. However, that does not mean we have to make it more difficult than it already is for everyone.

I have children & grandchildren & I honestly can’t see a single downside to leaving the EU.

Perhaps you could then give us a list of the upsides, please. Or perhaps not, I know we have asked leave voters many times to tell us what the advantages are. We are still waiting.

As regards ”widen your horizons” I find this quite intriguing. For years one thing that has become very desirable to people is to have choice. But now, we are suddenly supposed to just give it up and ”widen our horizons”. Give us one good reason why.

The world and opportunities due to Brexit has shrunk for our young people because of leavers believing the lies of this corrupt and incompetent government.

What Brexit has taken from our young people is the opportunity to take part in the Erasmus programme that enabled British students to study in universities elsewhwre in the EU and for students from other EU countries to study in Britian building up links and networks.

A replacement is being introduced but not as far reaching or as generous as the Erasmus programme.

It has also disrupted the provision of research funds for leading edge technology thta may enable us to deal with global warming as well as other technological funding. We were part of Europe wide research networks, where projects called on the best young reaerchers in many fields from across Europe and brought them together to work on technological problems that face everyone.

DD worked in this field, she was working fulltime, from home until the end of last year. In February, she was put on furlough and hasn't been back since because the new UK only funding system isn't working. Thankfully she has skills much in demand and started a new job in a different field at the beginning of this month, but that doesn't apply to everybody.

Some of our very best young people who have qualifications. experience and transferable skills have already emigrated to other EU countries. The brexit brain drain has caused long lasting damage to this country and sadness to the families which have been parted because of the madness that is brexit.

But what of those coming after them, today's teenagers, who will not have this opportunity to move around Europe and make the most of these opportunities to widen their education and work experience.

Kali2

How much does a flight to NZ cost?

How much does it cost to hitch-hike to Dover, get on the ferry, and hitch-hike across France and Europe, as so many of us have done in the past. Or Inter-rail, or National Express of other coach companies, many of them with bike carriage.

Do young people hitch hike much these days?

I did but I'd have been horrified if my DC did or my DGC even thought about it.
It's a different world now.

Regarding the potential advantage or valuable asset in having dual nationality with an EU passport I would be interested to know what proportion of young people are in this position. Last week we were 4 Grans meeting for tea. We have 14 GCs between us. 2 have a Spanish father. 2 have a mother from NI. 4 had a GP born in Ireland. So from my extremely small sample 8 out of 14 or about 57% will have greater freedoms. Would love to know what the national figure is. It’s ironic that my 4 GC are in the remaining 43% although every one of my family voted to remain. I live in an area that very heavily voted Leave and the other Grans voted this way. My question regarding equal access to UK jobs that require time being spent in EU countries still stands. Will applicants with only a UK passport be discriminated against? ie a 2 tier system. I’m asking a serious and legitimate question so please don’t suggest I just ‘move on’.

M0nica

But what of those coming after them, today's teenagers, who will not have this opportunity to move around Europe and make the most of these opportunities to widen their education and work experience.

On the other hand, EU workers will not be able to take jobs in the UK that our graduates might want. So we are more likely to get the cost of training them repaid, with nearly half of graduates not doing graduate work there is an educated workforce waiting.

A flight to Australia may cost £800 or even less but the pay is very good for unskilled or farm work.
The minimum wage is far higher than in UK or EU, added to which is holiday, sick and superannuation paid by the employer.

Katie59

M0nica

But what of those coming after them, today's teenagers, who will not have this opportunity to move around Europe and make the most of these opportunities to widen their education and work experience.

On the other hand, EU workers will not be able to take jobs in the UK that our graduates might want. So we are more likely to get the cost of training them repaid, with nearly half of graduates not doing graduate work there is an educated workforce waiting.

In addition to that Katie businesses and companies will somehow need to compensate for the lost experiences these UK graduates would have gained while abroad.
That is a tall order.

On the other hand they might be better able mould these new employees in a more global sense.

Katie59

M0nica

But what of those coming after them, today's teenagers, who will not have this opportunity to move around Europe and make the most of these opportunities to widen their education and work experience.

On the other hand, EU workers will not be able to take jobs in the UK that our graduates might want. So we are more likely to get the cost of training them repaid, with nearly half of graduates not doing graduate work there is an educated workforce waiting.

And what will happen if, as many companies will, and some already are, they advertise jobs in this country as working from home and applications accepted worldwide?

Conservatives seem to have formed a Union for the protection of the English Worker because they think it will save them from investing in the future. This attempt at protectionism won't work. Either the companies will find a way around it so they can get the people they need, or they will move.

Katie59

M0nica

But what of those coming after them, today's teenagers, who will not have this opportunity to move around Europe and make the most of these opportunities to widen their education and work experience.

On the other hand, EU workers will not be able to take jobs in the UK that our graduates might want. So we are more likely to get the cost of training them repaid, with nearly half of graduates not doing graduate work there is an educated workforce waiting.

A university education isn't all about training for a job. It's about broadening the mind, which should include opportunities to work abroad and to socialise with people from different cultures, so that there is a constant stream of new ideas.

Do you have a link to the percentage of graduates who are still not doing graduate work a year or so after graduating?

Camellia20

Regarding the potential advantage or valuable asset in having dual nationality with an EU passport I would be interested to know what proportion of young people are in this position. Last week we were 4 Grans meeting for tea. We have 14 GCs between us. 2 have a Spanish father. 2 have a mother from NI. 4 had a GP born in Ireland. So from my extremely small sample 8 out of 14 or about 57% will have greater freedoms. Would love to know what the national figure is. It’s ironic that my 4 GC are in the remaining 43% although every one of my family voted to remain. I live in an area that very heavily voted Leave and the other Grans voted this way. My question regarding equal access to UK jobs that require time being spent in EU countries still stands. Will applicants with only a UK passport be discriminated against? ie a 2 tier system. I’m asking a serious and legitimate question so please don’t suggest I just ‘move on’.

I wouldn't dream of suggesting you move in. It's a serious issue and I think those young people without an EU passport are likely to be at a disadvantage.

One of the main aims of Brexit was to reduce the number of migrant workers and to reduce the flow of manufacturing outside the UK to lower labour cost countries, thereby keeping more jobs at home.

Wether it actually works is another matter, we are seeing labour shortages in many areas, it will take a year or two to balance out.

Surely it is swings and roundabouts. We benefit from those coming here who have been educated in other countries, so we benefit from their knowledge at no expense to us and vice versa.

When our brightest go overseas to do research in large organisations containing people from many other countries, everyone worldwide benefits from the results of their research.

DD worked in a similar research centre in the UK until recently. Most of the team she worked with had PH Ds in engineering and science and were from EU countries. Several of the British Nationals also brough their expertise gained in working for research centres elsewhere in Europe. It is the free movement of researchers and experience across Europe and the world that contributed to the fast development of the vaccines for COVID.

Katie59

One of the main aims of Brexit was to reduce the number of migrant workers and to reduce the flow of manufacturing outside the UK to lower labour cost countries, thereby keeping more jobs at home.

Wether it actually works is another matter, we are seeing labour shortages in many areas, it will take a year or two to balance out.

Unfortunately, because of our demographics, we actually need migrant workers. Shutting out EU workers only increases the number of workers coming from non EU countries. Since the referendum the number of immigrants has remained just about the same but the balance between the EU and the ROW has altered.

It was a shameful, shameful tactic to use immigration as a weapon against EU membership.

The country should be told honestly that we actually need immigration.

There are opportunities in the UK. People don't have to go abroad to find work. Keep our talent in our own country I say...

Our eldest son is a helicopter pilot of some years and it appears that in the industry newcomers are being discouraged because of a range of factors - finance (sheer cost of getting quals), time it takes to get ratings, the number of pilots already in the market and they are just the domestic issues....

People don't have to go abroad to find work.

They do though.

There are more things in heaven and earth, than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Theoddbiord

It is not just young people suffering from the fall out of leaving the EU. Farmers can't get EU seasonal staff because of Covid restrictions and other red tape, our youngsters don't want to pick fruit, veg or harvest grain. Hospitality is another area suffering in Europe being in that industry is not seen as a lesser profession whereas here young people only see working in a bar or hotel as a stop gap or holiday job while a student. So maybe it all needs a rethink by our young people.

This is Brexit, the gift that keeps taking away and always will. Hillary Clinton called it 'an act of national self harm' and she was absolutely right.

I think with Covid the world has changed, but in time it will all be sorted out . Our children will get through