So many dreams for our youngsters dashed.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff a good teacher will engage with their pupils (whatever the subject) motivate and nurture their quest for knowledge.

Of course they will but, as I have already said, they are not to blame - and it seems you will always blame "others" - if the course is not available. You seem to have a very blinkered view of education.

NOT NZ/OZ but British

How very condescending of you.

I am in no way blinkered regarding education.

If folks cannot see that a good teacher who has the ability to enthuse and engage their students has the ability to impart a love of language, well?

That was to PippaZ

GrannyGravy13

How very condescending of you.

I am in no way blinkered regarding education.

If folks cannot see that a good teacher who has the ability to enthuse and engage their students has the ability to impart a love of language, well?

Of course. And I like to think that is what I did. My subject was very popular and very successful due partly to me (sorry but it’s the only thing I do well!) and to my colleague who was inspirational. Italian has now been abandoned at that school for purely financial reasons.
in order for mandarin to be taught in a lot of schools then much investment would be required to train speakers of mandarin, and investment is something that is rarely forthcoming for language teaching. In any case wouldn’t it be better to stick to mostly European languages given how near we are geographically?!

GrannyGravy13

growstuff a good teacher will engage with their pupils (whatever the subject) motivate and nurture their quest for knowledge.

A good teacher can't engage with pupils if courses aren't being offered or if there is too little curriculum time to teach them properly.

Many teachers are handicapped by the attitudes which pupils bring with them.

Of course, the pupils of a "good" teacher will achieve better than those of a "bad" teacher (or one not trained/qualified to teach a specific subject), but having a good teacher is only part of the equation.

GrannyGravy13

How very condescending of you.

I am in no way blinkered regarding education.

If folks cannot see that a good teacher who has the ability to enthuse and engage their students has the ability to impart a love of language, well?

And if you cannot see that Education is a whole system and teachers are not to blame if the courses are not made available and paid for ... well!

I have yet to find a post where you admit that governments run these services and they are very much to blame if they bleed them dry.

Good try PippaZ if you do read my posts on the political threads you would have seen that I am not a Mr.Johnson fan, but hey ho twisting my words seems to be your modus operandi

Back to the OP -
We have 5 late teen-young adult grandchildren.
I tend to banish the subject from my mind, it's so painful, but then try to convince myself that because of their youth they still have the resilience of youth and the ability to be flexible and fight back. Thank God.
Hope so anyway.
ps the oldest is 22 and completed her apprenticeship as an industrial electrician. Same as her Dad.
She has been employed through Covid so is on good regular pay. She has started a degree and hopes this will help with promotion.
Very proud of her.

And why is everyone so damn fixated on Chalet girls and ski instructors as though they were the only jobs in the EU that have ever been open to our young people? They do get older and want something a bit more substantial in the way of employment.

Because that is what the OP is about:
Already a huge problem for all those wanting to work in European resorts, be it in the leisure, sport or tourism of any form - and ski/snowboard instructors, sailing, surfing, etc. as 'equivalence' only applies to EU and Switzerland. Now those who aspire to be pilots, face the same problem as post-Brexit exclusion frustrates UK pilots as carriers seek EASA-licensed crews

The Ski Operators are now advertising for staff in all their resorts, requiring an EU passport for all staff, from cleaners, to reps and instructors.

How sad that opportunities for our grand-children are being dashed like this

I did say that Permanent careers in the EU for older people with qualifications are a different matter entirely.

It has already been established that there is a surfeit of pilots in he EU.

. (Can’t remember if you voted Leave or Remain!)

Remain, Alegrias
But if life gives you bitter lemons etc

Dwelling on the past too much uses up energy which could be put to better use finding solutions for a better future. Focussing on things out of your control is exhausting and pointless.

GrannyGravy13

Good try PippaZ if you do read my posts on the political threads you would have seen that I am not a Mr.Johnson fan, but hey ho twisting my words seems to be your ^modus operandi^

I didn't mention Johnson. Are you now saying you are not a Conservative supporter? If you are, I apologise - I missed that change of heart.

If you are still a Conservative supporter, isn't part of the raison d'être you support "small government" i.e. not sufficiently supporting the NHS, Schools, Care, etc.?

Many teachers are handicapped by the attitudes which pupils bring with them.

Presumably those pupils may not be the ones who are interested in expanding their horizons anyway.

Callistemon

. (Can’t remember if you voted Leave or Remain!)

Remain, Alegrias
But if life gives you bitter lemons etc

Dwelling on the past too much uses up energy which could be put to better use finding solutions for a better future. Focussing on things out of your control is exhausting and pointless.

Is it the case that if we rub your head three times you can fix the future or something? What a talent

I'm afraid many of us feel we can't. That only a government can. So saying what we think of those who brought us to this pretty pass might, in the end let the government know that we are not happy and not likely to be happy when they are looking for support at the next election. You never know.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff a good teacher will engage with their pupils (whatever the subject) motivate and nurture their quest for knowledge.

It is nowhere near that simple. Engaging with students is a real skill of mine. Vast numbers of British students don't have a quest for knowledge. They live in a nation that culturally only values education for the middle/upper classes.

I didn't vote for them either, PippaZ
However, my vote was wasted here.

I don't disagree Call Onwards and upwards.

But I do tend to rise to the bait when posters tell us that everything's fine, we should just stop complaining, worse things happen at sea etc. When things are definitely not better and they're probably getting worse.

I prefer the (rare) ones who say Oh sh** that was a bad idea. What can we do now to make things better?

Is it the case that if we rub your head three times you can fix the future or something? What a talent grin

If only.
There are solutions to many problems.
Some people just despair, others find alternative ways.

They live in a nation that culturally only values education for the middle/upper classes

Gagajo I find that very sad, not 100% correct and disappointing that a statement like that could be made by a teacher.

Which bit is wrong GG13?

When did you last teach in a working class secondary school?

Sorry- I haven't read the whole thread.
Our other older grandchildren are interested in expanding their horizons. 2 in Thailand and 2 in SW India.
That's why I'm so anxious - who knows what's going to happen there?

GagaJo

Which bit is wrong GG13?

When did you last teach in a working class secondary school?

My best friends daughter has just completed her PhD. Only child from working class family, went to working class Secondary School, to go to university.

I suggest you look at some of the schools in the East End of London, and their record on getting pupils into Oxbridge?

If you as a teacher have no faith, how can you inspire your students?

I don't think that Brexit voters intended to dash the future for young people. They did not vote that way out of spite but they have made things a lot more difficult for many. We can't think any the worse of them as human beings because they were misguided.

I agree there will always be blame attached to the Conservative government and it will be their worst legacy. Whether they are worried about that is a different matter because they know that voters often have short memories and that the next generation of young voters won't necessarily look back anyway.

Gagajo
This school obviously slipped through the net according to you.

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