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Johnson joked about moving Sunak from the Treasury and to the Health Department.

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PippaZ Mon 09-Aug-21 13:49:35

There is usually tension between No 10 and the Treasury but the current two at these addresses seem to not only not sing from the same hymn sheet but don't agree what the hymns should laud.

Sunak is an out and out Conservative ... well ... one of their branches. This branch's ideals and philosophies include austere, and then more austere budget rounds. That is part of what has made him popular with a group of MPs, some Conservatives and those who think they have something to lose if others are "leveled up".

Johnson on the other hand is an out and out Conservative .... well ... one of their branches. Johnson's doesn't believe in austerity. That is part of his appeal to another group of MPs, some Conservatives - and the Red Wall. He wants to "level up Britain" and whatever that means it means spending. He wanted Brexit. Whatever that means it will mean a period of expensive transition and then possibly lower GNP for years.

Yet another view of a dysfunctional government or Sunak on manoeuvres, or possibly both?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Aug-21 13:59:37

I have been reading recently that he does not get on with Sunak. Austerity is a major area of disagreement.

Ilovecheese Mon 09-Aug-21 14:01:25

Well the new health minister acts like he wants to be chancellor again so maybe he could swap with Rishi Sunak.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Aug-21 14:03:21

That’s what Johnson threatened would happen.

Riverwalk Mon 09-Aug-21 14:41:25

No way could he sack/demote Sunak!

PippaZ Mon 09-Aug-21 15:12:00

He could Riverwalk. There may be repercussions; the question is from whom? Do those people matter? That would be where Johnson's be interests would lie.

After all, what is so wonderful about Sunak? I would certainly be glad to see him go. It's unbearable to think about another round of so-called "austerity".

Ilovecheese Mon 09-Aug-21 15:21:13

I would be glad to see him go as well. Austerity is such a false economy.

MaizieD Mon 09-Aug-21 15:35:53

Ilovecheese

I would be glad to see him go as well. Austerity is such a false economy.

Absolutely! Austerity is a complete economy sapping disaster.

In this instance Johnson is kind of in the right of it. He's correctly discovered that the Bank of England is a bottomless pit that is obliged to cough up any money he asks for. Only the Treasury stands in his way.

Trouble is, Johnson won't spend the money on restoring past tory cuts; he'll spaff it on mostly aimless 'big ideas' and vanity projects.

GillT57 Mon 09-Aug-21 15:43:58

Sunkak is on a charm offensive and the popular press like him. I have to admit, he is smarter, and less of an embarassment on the world stage than the burst sofa that is Johnson, but that is a very low bar. I just despair that we are even talking about austerity again, history indicates it doesn't work, and recent history has shown it to be harmful and damaging to the economy, never mind the lives of the victims. Sadly, there are many, and quite a few on GN too, who believe in the philosophy, especially if it hits what they see as the undeserving, immigrants, benefit claimants, those who have 'failed' to save for their old age etc, followed on usually by stories of how their sainted Mothers fed 12 of them on fourpence a week and if only today's youngsters knew how to cook from scratch then they would be fine. It makes me despair, people believe what they read, just do not evaluate for themselves. .......and breathe......

Sarnia Mon 09-Aug-21 16:16:16

Boris hates anyone else who the public like.

Jaxjacky Mon 09-Aug-21 16:54:30

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Jaxjacky Mon 09-Aug-21 16:55:25

Sorry, I’ll start a new thread on that.

MoorlandMooner Mon 09-Aug-21 17:24:16

GillT57 Burst sofa! Excellent.

Dinahmo Thu 12-Aug-21 11:00:43

there's an interesting article in the Guardian today about the splits within the Tory party. Since becoming PM, Johnson has made many pledges on spending - social care, the NHS and rebuilding the north, to name but a few. To fulfill these pledges enormous amounts of money will be required. At the same time, many in the Tory Party are opposed to such spending because they are anti government and would prefer for the austerity measures of the past to continue.

Here's a link if you would like to read the article

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/12/boris-johnson-rebelliousness-tory-party-deep-divisions