Brexit

I must admit that I would be terribly embarrassed if I was a leave voter.

I will happily use some perspective once the leave camp can show me the benefit if leaving.

Then I can use that knowledge to show perspective on any issue that Brexit throws up.

THER ARE NO BENEFITS

That is the problem.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

When we were in the EU, we could influence the legislation.

Now we're out, we can't do anything.

Life really isn't as simple as Leavers seem to think it is.

Nor is it as complicated as those who voted remain think.

Hurdles are there but they are not insurmountable, some perspective needed.

Maybe you'd like to elucidate because that seems a bit vague.

So, after 5 years, what benefits can we look forward to? Anyone? Surely you must have read or heard even one statement that made you think that voting to leave the EU was a stunningly good idea?

Alegrias1

When we were in the EU, we could influence the legislation.

Now we're out, we can't do anything.

Life really isn't as simple as Leavers seem to think it is.

Nor is it as complicated as those who voted remain think.

Hurdles are there but they are not insurmountable, some perspective needed.

When we were in the EU, we could influence the legislation.

Now we're out, we can't do anything.

Life really isn't as simple as Leavers seem to think it is.

We are going backwards in so much.

Animal testing.

The right to protest

Journalists right to report without hindrance

Employee rights

Corrupt government without hindrance

This is an interesting part of the Guardian Artucle aligning with European Chemicals Agency

The UK and the EU have decades-old legislation that prevents companies testing on animals. Some companies' products are tested on animals in countries that have not introduced the forward thinking legislation. Some companies (e.g. l'Occitane) are working with authorities in those countries to get the legislation changed.

We used to lead the way. Now we're going backwards

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Alsgrias1 I would like to see the source of the evidence which states that the U.K. will resume Animal Testing…

There are literally 1,000’s of cosmetics, perfume, shower/bath products, shampoo and conditioners on sale in the U.K. and the rest of Europe which have been tested on animals.

Just because this has testing has not happened in the EU/U.K. but elsewhere in the world does not make it acceptable.

It is in The Guardian. I can’t do links.

www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/11/uk-could-allow-animal-tests-for-cosmetic-ingredients-for-first-time-since-1998?utm_term=417c0243784d1e6e1beb8c5e46981a5b&utm_campaign=MorningBriefingUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=morningbriefinguk_email

GrannyGravy13

Alsgrias1 I would like to see the source of the evidence which states that the U.K. will resume Animal Testing…

There are literally 1,000’s of cosmetics, perfume, shower/bath products, shampoo and conditioners on sale in the U.K. and the rest of Europe which have been tested on animals.

Just because this has testing has not happened in the EU/U.K. but elsewhere in the world does not make it acceptable.

It is in The Guardian. I can’t do links.

growstuff I have not denied or made excuses for anything, just pint out when blanket statements are untrue.

Alsgrias1 I would like to see the source of the evidence which states that the U.K. will resume Animal Testing…

There are literally 1,000’s of cosmetics, perfume, shower/bath products, shampoo and conditioners on sale in the U.K. and the rest of Europe which have been tested on animals.

Just because this has testing has not happened in the EU/U.K. but elsewhere in the world does not make it acceptable.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD own the consequences of their vote !!!

What a ridiculous thing to say, we all had a free vote and we were entitled to use it as we saw fit.

I don't understand this response, which doesn't appear relevant.

Yes, we know everybody had a free vote, but "owning" the consequences means not continually denying them and making excuses.

This taken from the bunny free app.

They may have modified the testing but the bottom line is they still test on Animals.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD own the consequences of their vote !!!

What a ridiculous thing to say, we all had a free vote and we were entitled to use it as we saw fit.

But not a single one will say we were wrong when saying “project fear”

Not a single one has found a benefit from Brexit.

Not a single one will say we were lied to

Not a single one will say the referendum was fraudulent

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

Estée Lauder
Lancôme
L’Oreal
Elizabeth Arden
L’Occitane
Durex (random but they test on Animals)
Febreze

The list is enormous, this is just a few random ones, the let-out clause is exporting to China!

I just looked up l'Occitane, just as an example.

ie.loccitane.com/l'occitane's-position-on-animal-testing,103,1,87296,1087160.htm

I'm sure you'll come back and say you were right, but you're not. No testing allowed in the UK or the EU. Companies here showing leadership.

MaizieD own the consequences of their vote !!!

What a ridiculous thing to say, we all had a free vote and we were entitled to use it as we saw fit.

Alegrias1

Estée Lauder
Lancôme
L’Oreal
Elizabeth Arden
L’Occitane
Durex (random but they test on Animals)
Febreze

The list is enormous, this is just a few random ones, the let-out clause is exporting to China!

growstuff

Lincslass

Whitewavemark2

Phone roaming charges have been reinstated.

One of the many lies told by brexiters who said that would never happen

One of the many lies told by the providing phone companies who said they wouldn’t do this, and who do not need to do this. This is about money grabbing, nothing else.

It's about making a profit, which is what businesses do, unless laws stop them, which being in the EU did.

Oh, you spoilsport, growstuff. I was looking forward to Lincslasses' explanation of why phone companies can now reintroduce roaming charges.

I do think that Leave voters should own the consequences of their vote...

Cosmetic firms have always been allowed (especially the expensive skin care/make-up companies) to test on animals and if they export to China the products have to be tested on animals.

Testing cosmetic products and their ingredients on animals was banned in the UK in 1998 and across the EU in 2013. What other countries do, I can't say. We used to be leaders in this. Not any more.

MaizieD

The shortage of vets is more critical for the meat industry than for profitable small animal practices. Vets are needed to monitor abattoirs and for SPS checks on meat imports and exports. These are not popular jobs among the UK veterinary fraternity and have generally been done by vets from other EU countries.

Oh yes ? I forgot to mention that.

The shortage of vets is more critical for the meat industry than for profitable small animal practices. Vets are needed to monitor abattoirs and for SPS checks on meat imports and exports. These are not popular jobs among the UK veterinary fraternity and have generally been done by vets from other EU countries.

“As we learn of permanent Kent lorry queues

Remember this…

The s..t is yet to meet the fan as we desperately cling to 6 begged-for, grace periods for:

1) NI Protocol

2) Medicine regs

3) CE Regs

4) Data regs

5) Financial equivalence

6) Chemical regs”

Alegrias1

You can't distract from the fact that we are thinking of allowing animal testing for cosmetic products for the first time in more than quarter a century by saying "Oh, but look at Poland!". We led the EU in making animal testing illegal, now we're going backwards.

The arguments of the Brexiters/Tories/people with heads in the sand/whatever just get more bizarre by the day.

Never mind, I'm sure it will all iron itself out, as if by magic.

I am totally against animals testing for cosmetics and avoid all products that do.

It has continued regardless of EU regulations, U.K. regulations are higher and tougher and will continue to be so.

Some of the biggest companies advertised day in day out on our TV’s test on Animals.