Brexit

Nigel Farage went on breakfast tv just hours after the result to tell people how silly they had been to believe it too!

madmum38

I admit, I voted leave because I believed that the NHS would be receiving extra money, as someone that has relied on it since the age of 8 I worry to hear all that is going wrong with it but now when my GP is telling me the practice is worried that the supply of insulin and all my other medications could be held up, I so wish I had voted stay.
I voted for what I thought was a good thing just to find it was one big lie and I feel so stupid for falling for it

You aren’t that stupid.

You now realise the lies of it all, many still don’t.

Sorry, I missed your post madmum38. Thank you for being so honest, I hope the insulin situation works out for you.

Me too. The comments about poor brexiteers having to leave GN due to remainers telling the truth bullying them would bring a tear to a glass eye. Brave post madmum38.

Alegrias1

Fellow remain voters, fellow posters, I have advice.

We must never contradict anyone who says we need to get over the biggest mistake in politics during our lifetimes. They are as entitled to their opinions as we are, even if the opinions are based on nothing but fairy stories. We cannot put forward our point of view because they get upset and feel that they must leave the forum.

We, however, are fair game for all kinds of put downs, assumptions and insults.

As you were.

?. I know what I’d like to say but I’m far too polite

The difference now between the UK and some countries in Europe is that many are now vaccinating over 12s. They are also offering incentives. Lots of people in the UK appear to be anti vaccinating children so not sure if that will change any time soon.

Quite an interesting article here

www.ft.com/content/f76dac90-c28a-42b4-acfd-d1cdbf83f55c

This one from the Guardian lists which countries are vaccinating over 12s

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/which-countries-are-vaccinating-minors-against-covid

Fellow remain voters, fellow posters, I have advice.

We must never contradict anyone who says we need to get over the biggest mistake in politics during our lifetimes. They are as entitled to their opinions as we are, even if the opinions are based on nothing but fairy stories. We cannot put forward our point of view because they get upset and feel that they must leave the forum.

We, however, are fair game for all kinds of put downs, assumptions and insults.

As you were.

Elvis58

Here we go again.We left whitewave2 get over it and take your political stance with you!

This is the politics thread. We are all on here with our political stance. That's kinda the point isn't it?

Jackiebackie

Jeez I can’t believe you’re all still banging on about brexit. All get your vaccine did you? Wouldn’t have happened if we’d stayed in EU. Move on for goodness sake.

The vaccine issue was dealt with on this thread yesterday lunchtime so there's no need for banging on about it other than by people who have not read the thread. For Jackiebackie and anyone else too busy to read the whole thread here's the post again...

Gillycats "We’re further ahead than EU countries with vaccinations."

Today's figures comparing UK with EU:

Full vaccination: Spain 62.01%, UK 58.69%, Italy 56.38%, Germany 55.68% France 50.97%

At least one vaccination: Spain 72.44%, UK 69.43%, France 66.95%, Italy 66.52%, Germany 62.35%

Hardly a slam dunk.

Everyone I know in France has been vaccinated! We have to show our vaccin certificates to go to lots of places now.
How can anyone believe that only the UK got the vaccin is unbelievable!!!

Jeez I can't believe you still think we wouldn't have had our vaccines if we'd stayed in the EU.

Stop believing the Daily Express for goodness sake.

sparkynan, I think most "remain" voters would agree that reform was needed within the EU. Most of the people I know, felt that change was possible - indeed imminent- we can't change it from the outside.

The EU was ready for reform. Lots of member countries felt so, it would have taken some time to do but ultimately would have led to, I believe, a much much better situation. Instead, we are totally out of the group, and they have bound more closely together.

Unfortunately, successive governments have blamed the EU for things that were really the UK government's failings, and conversely they have patted themselves on the back and "shouted about" their own achievements when actually most of the good things have come about because of EU treaties and rules.

Jeez I can’t believe you’re all still banging on about brexit. All get your vaccine did you? Wouldn’t have happened if we’d stayed in EU. Move on for goodness sake.

Lilyflower

The worse the vengeful Europeans behave towards us the more the diehard Remainers say we should have stayed with them.

No, their intransigent, undemocratic, imprudent, dictatorial ways are the reason why many voted to leave.

I don't know what your problem is with the EU, Lilyflower. We have left, we are now a 'third country' and the rules for EU relationships with third countries now apply to the UK. We seemed to be perfectly happy with them when we were on the inside. We even insisted that some of them were made, like the purification of third country live shellfish before import to the EU, which has adversely affected our shellfishers who previously had a thriving trade with other EU countries.

What did you expect to happen when we left? Did you think that none of the third country rules would apply to us? Did you even know that there were different rules for countries outside the EU?

Railman, I do understand Briatain didn't actually fund 2 parliaments by themselves and the other states were involved. I found your post interesting and now in the cold light of day agree with you.

I think the EU got too big, there was too much infighting, it became like a monolith in its own right. I think the people elected forgot the prime directive.

Nigel Farage being voted to represent Britain was madness and he did us no favours what so ever.

I am also very aware that Boris was very misleading, and mismanaged and gave us false information about leaving the EU.

But Britain, must move on and start producing more home made products, instead of shipping them in from countries that don't want to improve Earth's climate problems or care about human rights. We also need to find a way of working in harmony with the EU.

The worse the vengeful Europeans behave towards us the more the diehard Remainers say we should have stayed with them.

No, their intransigent, undemocratic, imprudent, dictatorial ways are the reason why many voted to leave.

madmum38 I'm sorry you believed this about the NHS when even the people who said it knew it wasn't true.
You must feel both annoyed and sad.

Thank you for facing this with honesty.
I hope you continue to get the medical support you need.

I’m Scottish, and I’d also like to know if the EU would ‘ want us’. I wish they’d tell us now.

I admit, I voted leave because I believed that the NHS would be receiving extra money, as someone that has relied on it since the age of 8 I worry to hear all that is going wrong with it but now when my GP is telling me the practice is worried that the supply of insulin and all my other medications could be held up, I so wish I had voted stay.
I voted for what I thought was a good thing just to find it was one big lie and I feel so stupid for falling for it

sparkynan

Brexit has been done and dusted, there is NO going back. Its time you all stopped being so dogmatic about your choices, leavers and remainers. I find these forums so bitter, nasty, rude and bullying.

Get on with life as it is. Covid is stopping a lot of deliveries, as well as EU Red tape bolshiness. Oh and by the way my dentist is Polish!

I voted to leave.. My reasons were financial.. Fed up with Britain funding 2 lots of parliment, 2 courts, funding whole countries going bust. Other EU countries not following the rules but expecting Briatain to... I could go on and on.. and show evidence... but I can't honestly be bothered, because some of you are just too bitter to accept that a larger number than you voted to leave the EU.

If you don't like other people still discussing Brexit why come on threads such as this?

You've come up with a few (in your views) negatives but no positives. The benefits of being in the EU have been mentioned so many times that I'm not going to repeat them.

Covid isn't stopping deliveries where I live. I walked through the local market today - plenty of strawberries, raspberries, peaches, nectarines and melons to mention a few items.

Kandinsky

*Oh, I'm so ashamed. (Not.)*

I didn’t say you should feel ashamed, I said it’s a shame the fanatical remainers have driven people off GN.
I’m sure you love every minute of your brexit attacking life, you certainly spend a lot of time doing it.
Have you thought about getting a hobby?

So the arguments on the political forum have driven people from GN. What a load of rubbish. Or else they're wimps because the other threads are generally quite gentle. Please stop exagerating.

Here's another of those Brexit 'Benefits'

Prominent Brexit supporter Sir Jim Ratcliffe has ditched plans to build Ineos' new range of 4x4 cars in the UK and will now build them in France.

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-billionaire-jim-ratcliffe-ineos-grenadier-france-not-wales-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

One thing that Gransnet has taught me is that not all people base their decisions or opinions on facts.

To some, facts are of no interest, it's 'something else' that fuels their decisions and opinions. I don't know what the 'something else' is.

There was never one fact to suggest Brexit would be a good thing for Britain. There were many facts to suggest remaining was a good idea. So those who base their decisions on facts voted remain.

Those who voted Brexit cannot now defend it with facts as they do not exist - none have arisen since 2016 and none existed before. Anyway, Brexit voters aren't excited by or interested in facts. Remain voters are frustrated by this.

Remainers try to explain the facts to those who voted Brexit, but of course, they are not interested in facts.

For remain voters to convince Brexit voters that we are in a right mess they will have to use something other than facts. A bus painted with lies perhaps?

Here we go again.We left whitewave2 get over it and take your political stance with you!

Kandinsky

*So close to being reported*

Considering my options

You couldn’t get anymore passive aggressive if you tried.
Report away. I’ll be pointing out your posts for HQ to look at.

I tremble.