Fingers crossed for Pen Farthing and Nowzad

Its because of him that people are indignant, isn't it? Becuase he's posh. Because he's mouthy. He's not an obedient little chap standing in line.

You do realise? Yes of course we do, we're not thick.

He was in the airport, he had all the paperwork he was told he needed. Obviously the jet needed to have permission to take off but it would have had god knows how many people on it. He is not holding his staff to ransom, they didn't need to be part of his effort.

His wife, BTW, is Norwegian and left on a Norwegian plane. He's not complaining about his staff member not being given priority, he's pointing out that she's told him that conditions in the German place she's living in are terrible.

We can't just make things up about the man because we don't like him.

Thing is, nobody is standing there thinking hmm, baby or dog, which shall I choose? but that exactly what has to be done Alergra in this case, exactly
People urging this man on are thinking with their hearts not their minds
I totally agree Lincslass it’s just not as simple as the people looking on him as a hero believe Of course him /his family and his workers should be allowed out (I believe his family has) the animals should be left behind as they were before he arrived, as dreadful as that is, there are animals suffering badly in every corner of the world including our own and they cannot be elevated above the humans who will be killed and tortured if they stay The military planes getting humans out must be given prioity

Hear, hear, Alegrias1

In my case it’s nothing about not liking the man alergras I d never heard of him until this all happened it’s simply about thinking with my brain and not my heart

No Bluebelle, you're wrong.

You believe his family are out? You mean his Norwegian wife who makes her own decisions?

The animals are not taking the place of humans.

How many times?

BlueBelle, it's not a problem of giving priority to any planes. As Ben Wallace keeps saying it's nothing to do with the planes.

He can't get TO the airport. The Taliban have stopped him. Nobody else. He never thought that people would just stand aside as he swooped in with his staff/animals.

He did get to the final checkpoint yesterday. He didn't jump any queues. He doesn't want to jump any queues.

I don't think people are fully understanding this issue at all.

I m wrong in your eyes alerga but not in mine
I love animals I would never harm an animal I would intercept if I saw an animal harmed but I believe these animals should be left where they are and people wanting to give money to charter a plane should give it to charter a plane for humans first
I can understand his and other posters passion to save the animals but I would personally prefer to see this passion put into giving to get those desperate men women and children who will be killed harmed or ruled with violence if they stay out of the country
I do love animals but not above humans and yes I fully understand the issue zoe if there is money raised for a charter plane use it for human beings, him and his workers included

I’ve just seen Kay Burley interview Ben Wallace and what really struck me was how this man has aged in a fortnight.

To be honest I’m finding this all very distressing. I think we should all thank our lucky stars for our good fortune to live where we do. I’m in tears now thinking of the terror and suffering happening now and what’s ahead.

BlueBelle

I m wrong in your eyes alerga but not in mine
I love animals I would never harm an animal I would intercept if I saw an animal harmed but I believe these animals should be left where they are and people wanting to give money to charter a plane should give it to charter a plane for humans first
I can understand his and other posters passion to save the animals but I would personally prefer to see this passion put into giving to get those desperate men women and children who will be killed harmed or ruled with violence if they stay out of the country
I do love animals but not above humans and yes I fully understand the issue zoe if there is money raised for a charter plane use it for human beings, him and his workers included

The chartered plane would have been full of humans. I give up.

And Bluebelle, its Alegrias1.

yes I fully understand the issue zoe if there is money raised for a charter plane use it for human beings, him and his workers included

You don't understand though.

What you've just said is exactly what he was trying to do.

He was offering seats to over 100 extra people.

I know some people seem to believe we can put people in the hold of a commercial plane, tying them up in rope but we can't.

It's just a shame that it appears he won't be able to fly out and that means many Afghan refugees will miss out on this opportunity

if there is money raised for a charter plane use it for human beings, him and his workers included

Do you know who raised this money? The Nowzad charity. Their followers. Of which I am one.

I've been donating to this for years. I donated toward this flight. It's these people who have paid for a plane. To bring him and his staff and animals out.

Very sad that it appears they'll be unable to evacuate now

i agree Alegrias1 how many times on this thread do we have to say that the animals would go in the cargo hold, where no passengers could travel (no seat belts and the airline is probably not insured to do so) - they are NOT taking the place of people. As for chartering planes to take people only, why do that and leave the cargo holds empty? They might as well as utilise the hold to carry something. Yes I am an animal lover, but would put human life first every time, but, as in this case, it is not a contest for the same seats on that plane, I can see no reason to deny those animals passage.

If the Americans won’t let him through his argument is lost so no one is to blame here please stop arguing the toss of who said what to who and when etc etc etc.
The whole debarkle is very sad.

There should have been time to get all out - humans and animals - if those running the show had done their jobs properly in the first place.
It's inhumane what all living souls are going through there because of incompetence. So sad.
Animals are abused by humans all over the world. Worked to death in so many countries. They all deserve better.

tanith

If the Americans won’t let him through his argument is lost so no one is to blame here please stop arguing the toss of who said what to who and when etc etc etc.
The whole debarkle is very sad.

It's NOT the Americans stopping him It was the Taliban.

For goodness sake, the amount of misinformation on this thread is horrendous.

And I shall continue to argue the toss, Tanith. It's not up to you to stop discussion.

Becuase he's posh

Posh?
He was a sergeant in the Royal Marines. Does that make him posh?


It's nothing to do with that. I really hope he can get a slot to fly out and I have no idea how they are allocated but obviously it must be that, amidst all the chaos, slots are allocated on some kind of basis, perhaps different countries being allocated so many a day.

Callistemon

^Becuase he's posh^

Posh?
He was a sergeant in the Royal Marines. Does that make him posh?


It's nothing to do with that. I really hope he can get a slot to fly out and I have no idea how they are allocated but obviously it must be that, amidst all the chaos, slots are allocated on some kind of basis, perhaps different countries being allocated so many a day.

Quote from 6:55 this morning, not from me: "I think he’s a typical posh guy egomaniac"

The Taliban wouldn't let them through. That's what happened. Nothing to do with planes and times. The Taliban stopped them. That's what happened. Taliban. Not Americans. Not Air Traffic Control. Taliban.

It's NOT the Americans stopping him
Zoejory - that’s incorrect. I saw Pen being interviewed earlier and he said Joe Biden had changed his mind and ordered that only people with certain documents could get through into the airport. This meant he couldn’t get through. I don’t believe the plane is there but now there’s been the explosions Pen and the animals are back at the centre.

Reading the recent tweet from Pen Farthing saying that he'd been turned away made brought me to tears - for the first time in this whole conflict.

I may be strange because I cannot watch some of the adverts for animal charities and I cannot watch Lassie without crying.

Zoejory

The Taliban wouldn't let them through. That's what happened. Nothing to do with planes and times. The Taliban stopped them. That's what happened. Taliban. Not Americans. Not Air Traffic Control. Taliban.

Sorry but you are incorrect, when he reached the airport perimeter it was the US Forces who turned them away, read his tweets that I posted earlier today.

Mr Farthing has said it was Biden who had stopped him and the animals leaving. BBC news.
This was due to a change in paperwork as I understand it.

AGAA4

Mr Farthing has said it was Biden who had stopped him and the animals leaving. BBC news.
This was due to a change in paperwork as I understand it.

That is exactly what Pen has said in his tweets.

Thankyou Grannygravy