Paying for Social Care

Casdon

Just to clarify though, money raised by the tax will be devolved to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland proportionate to population on the same formula as in England.
I don’t agree with the way it is being raised, but I’m glad that at least our government in Wales can use the additional funding in a way that fits in with their own strategy to reform health and social care rather than being dictated to do it the same way as England.

Oh good.

The main news seems to concentrate on England and Scotland.

Aveline

Scotland will receive 15% more than they actually contribute in taxes and NI. Thanks to the Barnett formula. No wonder some English people are sick of Scots complaining.

So you support independence?

Raising some extra via income tax would be fairer. I really don’t see why better off retired people shouldn’t contribute.

During the pandemic:

• UK Billionaire wealth grew 35%
• UK Foodbank use grew 33%

How dare they hit workers with a new poll tax?

Meant to say that the above is a growing opinion on twitter. People are beginning to understand the implication of the new tax.

Peters - NO

Sorry Petera phone kept changing your name

Aveline

Peters - NO

Can you explain why? Is it because you are Scottish and don't think it will work? Because, if not, I don't understand the line taken by some English voters which seems to be "Scotland does better than us out of the UK and we want them to continue to be a burden on us"

It is because I'm Scottish and live in Scotland. The current Scottish Government has made an unholy mess of running the country. We have the lowest life expectancy in Europe, highest drug deaths and have six health boards among the highest areas of Coronavirus in Europe.
Like many Scots I simply can't understand how Scotland is perceived as doing well by the rest of the country. It may have something to do with the 55, yes 55, spin doctors employed at our enormous expense by the Scottish government to counter alternative opinions on how 'well' they're doing.
I could go on but my blood pressure is not up to much more of Nicola's self important nonsense.

This might be a stupid question as I know little about the financial world. But what is the point in being a billionaire and leaving it to others who won't use it all either? While there is so much need in the world?

Aveline

It is because I'm Scottish and live in Scotland. The current Scottish Government has made an unholy mess of running the country. We have the lowest life expectancy in Europe, highest drug deaths and have six health boards among the highest areas of Coronavirus in Europe.
Like many Scots I simply can't understand how Scotland is perceived as doing well by the rest of the country. It may have something to do with the 55, yes 55, spin doctors employed at our enormous expense by the Scottish government to counter alternative opinions on how 'well' they're doing.
I could go on but my blood pressure is not up to much more of Nicola's self important nonsense.

Yes... but... while it is the current Scottish Government that is pushing for independence (and with a mandate to do so) that does not mean you need to re-elect them in the event of independence. Or do you think there is no-one in Scotland capable of running the country?

I want to stay part of the United Kingdom. United we stand, divided we fall (and Scotland would plummet!

Seems to me that it is being United i.e being ruled from Westminster, (where Scottish voices are always in a minority) that is dragging Scotland down. It's time to float free.

I paid for lots of things I didn't use via tax and NI.

MOnica
I have always said, that as much as I would like to leave my children an inheritance, if the house should need to be sold to fund my future care, so be it.

I do not understand people's obsession with leaving money to their children. Nice if you can, but if you cannot, so what?
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I admit it, I stopped reading the posts when I saw your post,

if only,, far too practical a solution, I so agree withyou

AND ALSO
cut the wastage! the top earners in the NHS, just read some stupid (imo) article suggested that the NHS (well actually someone in the NHS???) is taking on lots more top executives at salaries far in excess of what the PM takes from the tax bundle..

IF only the media would stop referring to it all as Government money,, it is ALL taxpayers me, yours and mine.. and for those who say, "I don`t pay tax" really mean I don`t pay income tax, we ALL pay tax into the melting pot, (what a difnitive (sp?) phrase that is) we all pay tax. via vat!

so much of the taxpayers money is wasted.. why can`t "they" concentrate of sorting out the wastage.. etc. etc. etc.

rant over

Unless you can also cap the amount the private nursing homes charge too, I don't see how this is going to work. Whilst inheritance might stick in the craw of some people's throat, it also seems unfair to me that people who have been careful with their money and had all their spending taxed at the going rate, should be punished for their thriftiness. The rich would do as they have always done, get their accountants to protect their assets. I want my children to inherit so they have money which means they don't have to rely on the State. With a disabled daughter and a disabled grandson who are never going to be able to earn much, I want them to be able to have the little extras which would make their lives easier. Even with my money, they won't be able to live it up.

My daughters would love to inherit this house where they grew up. It's an ordinary semi, biggish garden, and it has seen 5 generations of the family. However I would be happy for it to be sold to provide care for me if needed and to subsidise those with no savings whether through being feckless or on low income and unable to save or own a house. For me it would be a Christian, ethical and moral obligation.

nadateturbe I think it is the only way that some people can value themselves, they think that their wealth is their self-worth.
They also, I think, measure themselves against their peers, so if one billionaire increases their wealth by another billion, they all want to.

I agree that income tax, rather than raising NI contributions appears fairer. What this government has not told us is how we pay for the cost of accommodation if we have to go into care. As I understand it, we would still have to pay this and in the south east where we live the costs are very high, around £1000 per week.
I totally agree that if the person/persons who have a house need to sell it to pay for care, then so be it.

Ni should be ring fenced by law and used solely for its intended purpose, we should close all the tax avoidance schemes that the rich use to avoid paying their fair share, if we had a just and fair system we would have the money to pay for cradle to grave care

Grandmama I wholeheartedly agree! My parents sold their house to pay for care and most of their savings but they were the lucky ones. They got to choose where they went and remained in control.

Or do you think there is no-one in Scotland capable of running the country?

Not only does Aveline think there is nobody in Scotland capable of running the country, she thinks that the voters of Scotland are not to be trusted with electing a government that they want.

Isn't that so Aveline?

(BTW - we don't have the lowest life expectancy in Europe, and while we currently have nine (not six) health boards in the top 16 areas in Europe for Covid, I didn't hear many complaints when it was English counties at the top, or was that Nicola's fault too? You know, that self important wee besom who thinks she runs the country?)

"Scotland will plummet" must be the Unionist anthem, in place of the kailyard favourite "Scotland will flourish"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ4njEEu8Hg

The money is there to pay for social care….

twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1435683360433754119?s=21

icanhandthemback

Unless you can also cap the amount the private nursing homes charge too, I don't see how this is going to work. Whilst inheritance might stick in the craw of some people's throat, it also seems unfair to me that people who have been careful with their money and had all their spending taxed at the going rate, should be punished for their thriftiness. The rich would do as they have always done, get their accountants to protect their assets. I want my children to inherit so they have money which means they don't have to rely on the State. With a disabled daughter and a disabled grandson who are never going to be able to earn much, I want them to be able to have the little extras which would make their lives easier. Even with my money, they won't be able to live it up.

But it's not the thrifty who are being "punished". It's the children of the thrifty who won't inherit so much.

What about the children of people who weren't so thrifty or who couldn't ever have acquired any significant wealth? Should they be "punished" because they didn't have the right parents?

Many of the people dying now haven't been thrifty anyway. They've just been lucky that they bought property at the right time and its value has appreciated at an unprecedented rate.

I agree with Randy. Why should the higher earners pay more. My husband has worked so hard all his life never a weekend off for years and has never claimed a benefit in his life. The government take half his earnings, his business rates are horrendous. We have never had any help from the government.