AUKUS

railman thank you for explaining that the French had a contract with Australia.....I would never have known that.

It’s obvious that the Australians couldn’t go with the French nuclear sun. Which would have meant the French building diesel/ electric subs which are hardly 21st century.
The oil for these subs would come from the Middle East and refined in Japan.
Let’s just imagine that there was a blockade ? in the South China Sea ( not for one moment that could happen, mmm) but Australian can only hold about 6 months supply, they’re stuffed.

Here you are Railman

makeitbritish.co.uk/made-in-britain/

MerylStreep

Here you are Railman

makeitbritish.co.uk/made-in-britain/

Ah, bless.

The company I worked for just before retiring manufactured electronic goods in Britain. Guess where the chips came from. And the other electronic components. And the ceramic casings. And the wiring.

Not sure if it’s been said but these are nuclear ‘powered’ submarines I believe they carry no nuclear weapons as Australia do not want that.

I'm guessing that each country would want to be first in this acronym:

UKAUS
UKUSA

Either of these looks like a collaboration between only 2 countries but I do prefer UKAUS.

Peff68

Not sure if it’s been said but these are nuclear ‘powered’ submarines I believe they carry no nuclear weapons as Australia do not want that.

It's been said once or twice before, but people DRTT...

From Australia’s point of view the sad thing is we always had a ‘special’ relationship with France dating back to World war 2 .

Yes from reading the French press (as opposed to the Anglophone) I think there is sadness on both sides at that nanna8. I think the question is "What does it mean to be Allies?"

I think the diplomatic and geo-political implications are summed up pretty well here.
www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2021/09/17/les-trois-lecons-de-l-alliance-entre-l-australie-les-etats-unis-et-le-royaume-uni_6095013_3232.html

And a good John Lichfield summary here.
unherd.com/2021/09/whats-behind-macrons-fury/

MerylStreep, you do admit that China 'owns' so much of British infrastructure. What possible harm could come from us pissing them off? Not so much 'Global Britain' as 'Globally Owned Britain'.

Not so much that Biden ‘dropped’ Morrison’s name. I assume that he had an autocue, something he is well used to & now not doing so well.

His judgement, ability & capacity for Presidential leadership was questioned long before he stood for election.

Yet here we are.

I'm wondering if during the run up to the US elections Biden was taking some kind of "pick me up" drug.

Several years ago we left an elderly dog in kennels for a few days. When we picked him up he was livelier then he'd been for some weeks but he quickly went back to his usual state and died shortly afterwards. Having stayed sometimes on a friend's farm and seen him give a poorly sheep a shot of something or other and the sheep became more lively we wondered whether our dog had been given something similar.

Could the same thing have happened to Biden?

MerylStreep

Here you are Railman

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Thanks Meryl - had a look through but disappointed that there were no electrical or electronic equipment items in there - quite a few of the decorative DIY jobs and clothing.

It's not very well marketed though, but a bit like that "Not On The High Street" website.

The UK used to have a wide range of primary, secondary and tertiary manufacturing industries, including microelectronics, biodegradable packaging systems, computer technology and telecommunications manufacturers.

It is nice to see that some stuff may be produced here - but I guess Napoleon was nearer the mark with his profile of the English. Some very fine artisan purveyors of products - and maybe that's what the UK does best, not mass market, but quality, niche products.

lemongrove

railman thank you for explaining that the French had a contract with Australia.....I would never have known that.

My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.

Can we or they be trusted to hold to an agreement made in good faith.

I wonder if the eu will stand four square behind Macron now that he’s threatened to block and veto the eu/ Australia free trade deal.

Dinahmo

I'm wondering if during the run up to the US elections Biden was taking some kind of "pick me up" drug.

Several years ago we left an elderly dog in kennels for a few days. When we picked him up he was livelier then he'd been for some weeks but he quickly went back to his usual state and died shortly afterwards. Having stayed sometimes on a friend's farm and seen him give a poorly sheep a shot of something or other and the sheep became more lively we wondered whether our dog had been given something similar.

Could the same thing have happened to Biden?

Ridiculous.

railman

lemongrove

railman thank you for explaining that the French had a contract with Australia.....I would never have known that.

My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.

Can we or they be trusted to hold to an agreement made in good faith.

It also raises questions over the American-led Nato alliance guarding Western Europe but long neglected and under-funded by EU states.
RAISE QUESTIONS
“This is a stab in the back,” moaned French officials as Macron retaliated by pulling ambassadors out of Canberra and Washington.
The French deal to build old-fashioned diesel-electric subs was already in doubt.
Australian PM Scott Morrison had signalled alarm over delays and rising costs.
Perhaps some of the reasons for the pullout.

From an article in the Sun.

Dinahmo

I'm wondering if during the run up to the US elections Biden was taking some kind of "pick me up" drug.

Several years ago we left an elderly dog in kennels for a few days. When we picked him up he was livelier then he'd been for some weeks but he quickly went back to his usual state and died shortly afterwards. Having stayed sometimes on a friend's farm and seen him give a poorly sheep a shot of something or other and the sheep became more lively we wondered whether our dog had been given something similar.

Could the same thing have happened to Biden?

What on earth has that got to do with the OP?

It certainly seems as if it has been full steam ahead from the US administration. I must admit I am a glad they have noticed China's moves for supremacy.

My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.

Surely if the terms of the contract are not met, there must be a clause which states that the contract shall be null and void ?

railman

MerylStreep

Here you are Railman

makeitbritish.co.uk/made-in-britain/

Thanks Meryl - had a look through but disappointed that there were no electrical or electronic equipment items in there - quite a few of the decorative DIY jobs and clothing.

It's not very well marketed though, but a bit like that "Not On The High Street" website.

The UK used to have a wide range of primary, secondary and tertiary manufacturing industries, including microelectronics, biodegradable packaging systems, computer technology and telecommunications manufacturers.

It is nice to see that some stuff may be produced here - but I guess Napoleon was nearer the mark with his profile of the English. Some very fine artisan purveyors of products - and maybe that's what the UK does best, not mass market, but quality, niche products.

Here is a much more comprehensive list of British Companies
Just to top up the other quality products.
uk.ezilon.com/uk/business/manufacturers/index.shtml also another interesting piece albeit from 2020.

www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-top-exports/

I'm sure there were many ways for both sides to withdraw from the contract.

I don't think that "changing our minds about what we wanted then having secret negotiations with another country and keeping it quiet until it was too late then letting the French know via the media" was one of those ways.

A $60bn contract for subs is a bit different to signing on the dotted line to get your conservatory built.