AUKUS

FannyCornforth

Better than USUKA!

Is no one going to laugh at my joke?

USUKA - you sucker!! Geddit?!

Oh never mind.
Don’t give up the day job, Fanny…

A nuclear submarine is powered by nuclear fusion

Calling a submarine nuclear does not mean that they are all armed with nuclear warheads.

Maybe they were keeping them secret from the writers of the pages you were looking at. Probably an SNP plot.

Interesting discussion.

Alegrias1

Bit of a comprehension issue here, I suspect.

Number of nuclear subs Australia currently have - 0

Number of nuclear subs China currently have - 14

Number of nuclear subs Russia currently have - 45

Number of nuclear subs the US currently have - 72.

Number of nuclear subs the UK have - 11

Australia's one or two won't matter any more than a gnat's bite to the Chinese. Send one or two of the US ones over to the China Sea if we have to. This is to make the Aussies feel important, that's all.

Wrong numbers there Aleg go and google again.
The US have less than 20 subs with nuclear missile capabilities (Trident)
( according to two sources) although they have many subs.
We have 6.Perhaps we will all have to google again as it does depend where you look.?
Whatever the ‘true’ numbers Australia feel they need them and have asked for help to make them and we and the US are happy to, it’s a great deal for us!

Is there a Scottish variant of Godwin's Law?

If you say so Aleg ?

My comment was that we don’t have any political common ground.

lemongrove

? you are an SNP supporter Aleg so bound to disagree, and are pro EU, so are hardly going to agree on much politically, but I had thought that even you would see the sense of AUKUS.

SNP supporter ???

Yes, that makes all my views on everything else completely invalid. ??

Bit of a comprehension issue here, I suspect.

Number of nuclear subs Australia currently have - 0

Number of nuclear subs China currently have - 14

Number of nuclear subs Russia currently have - 45

Number of nuclear subs the US currently have - 72.

Number of nuclear subs the UK have - 11

Australia's one or two won't matter any more than a gnat's bite to the Chinese. Send one or two of the US ones over to the China Sea if we have to. This is to make the Aussies feel important, that's all.

? you are an SNP supporter Aleg so bound to disagree, and are pro EU, so are hardly going to agree on much politically, but I had thought that even you would see the sense of AUKUS.

Nope Aleg allied nuclear subs ( the US, and the UK and Australia) will have more than China ( not sure, but imagine the numbers the US have are roughly the same as China so far.)

To keep us safe there has to be equal distribution of nuclear power and that includes subs with nuclear capabilities.

Well, that's one way of looking at it.

Nuclear expansion hasn't been de rigeur for quite a while, in case you hadn't noticed.

Nothing to do with Tories, a lot to do with common sense. But a desire to see anybody who disagrees with you politically as being anti-Tory and pro-EU is very comfortable, I suppose. And naïve.

MaizieD

^if you don’t think that China is building up it’s military might at an alarming rate then you haven’t been following world events closely enough.^

Goodness! So it's a nice Empire era arms race now, is it?

Should the rest of the world sit back and wait for China to take over just about everything? Perhaps allied with Russia.Would that make people happy on here? Does hatred of all things Conservative and love of all things EU blind posters?
To keep us safe there has to be equal distribution of nuclear power and that includes subs with nuclear capabilities.

We are not ‘getting one over on the French’ it is Australia that has realised it wants something other than the French can provide.

They don't. But they've got a damn sight more than Australia have. They've got more than we have.

So Australia having one (10? I don't know) nuclear subs is going to make no difference at all.

Other than all those English speakers going "Look at my big sub."

Why does China need nuclear subs Aleg ?

Spot on Alegrias1. You have explained what is really going on but heyho! Let’s be distracted by getting one over on the French. Just off to do a made in China lateral flow test.

Nonsense.

I'm cut to the quick. That authority on all things military thinks I'm talking nonsense. I may take to my bed.

Why does Australia need nuclear subs? They were worried about the Yellow Peril too, many years ago. There's a pattern here.

And if you think the way to avoid Chinese domination of the economy is to stop buying shoddy goods and impose sanctions, man are you going to get a surprise.

if you don’t think that China is building up it’s military might at an alarming rate then you haven’t been following world events closely enough.

Goodness! So it's a nice Empire era arms race now, is it?

winterwhite

Well pot, Alegrias. Thank you. Incl the point re our new foreign secretary.

I second that

Of course, we have cut our economic contribution to other countries, haven't we?

Not well put at all actually, it’s a nonsense.
We are not ‘playing soldiers’ but have agreed to come in on a deal together with the US when asked by Australia, for tech help for building nuclear subs for them.They feel intimidated by what the Chinese are doing in their part of the world, and if you don’t think that China is building up it’s military might at an alarming rate then you haven’t been following world events closely enough.They are going for gold with economic power too, but that can be countered as well, if the rest of the world resists their many shoddy goods and imposes sanctions where needed.
Were the French ‘playing soldiers’ with Australia with the deal they have just lost?

Well pot, Alegrias. Thank you. Incl the point re our new foreign secretary.

lemongrove

No Aleg we haven’t ‘ gone backwards’ and if the best you have to say about this subject is a phrase from Farage, it’s a poor do.

OK, I'll tell you what I think without quoting Farage.

We have gone backwards because we think that the way to challenge the Chinese is via military might. They are taking over the world not with submarines and soldiers, but with economic power. They own huge swathes of Africa and are cosying up to the Taliban because of the lithium deposits in Afghanistan. Three of the biggest five companies in the world by revenue are Chinese.

While we're playing soldiers with our English speaking friends, we're losing our influence day be day.

But its much easier to say "look at my big submarine", isn't it? Poor do, indeed. But I'm sure our shiny new Foreign Secretary will get it fixed, PDQ

I have very mixed feelings about this new collaboration. The pluses are clear, but it could so easily lead into aggression, despite BJ's rather oddly expressed reassurance.
And I don't see that there's much to be gained in annoying France.

So I hope this thread isn't going to dwindle into yet another discussion of Biden.

Australia has asked for our input and from the US for building nuclear submarines for them.No doubt the French are put out by this new deal, but that is nothing to do with us.

No Aleg we haven’t ‘ gone backwards’ and if the best you have to say about this subject is a phrase from Farage, it’s a poor do.