Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

grannyrebel7

She makes me cringe. If she wants to be taken seriously she should learn how to speak properly. Having said that I don't dislike her and I think she makes some good points and is passionate about the cause. Just stop saying things like 'quid' and 'scumbag' Angela!

Not sure if this means she should talk like a southerner or use formal English. Either way she'd stop being a role model for working-class girls. She talks like a normal Stockport woman, and why shouldn't she?

MissAdventure because you make valuable contributions and sound like a normal person, that is what I enjoy about your membership of the site.

A journalist recently showed her old interview with Margaret Thatcher when she was PM, and the journalist had just arrived in London from Scotland. She conducted it in a very (fake) RP voice, because she thought that's what was expected. So sad.

You are not going anywhere MissA <Paddington stare>

Aaw, I'm sorry you're feeling fragile MissA.

Don't be put off by a few posters having a go at Angela Rayner's lifestyle choices.

I wonder who decides what talking properly actually means? We've had people saying how they dislike the Birmingham accent and I've read that Shakespeare would have had a strong Birmingham accent or at least a West Midlands accent. Anyone going to argue with his mastery of the English language?

Riverwalk

Dominic Cummings described David Davis, when he was the UK Brexit negotiator, as 'thick as mince'.

I'd never heard of the expression before.

He's cleverer than that twit (sic) Cummings!

She's got lovely hair though!

(Does that make me seem shallow?)

Please stay MissA . Hope you feel a bit better tomorrow.

The Black Country accent is meant to be the most Saxon isn't it?

David Davis went to a good uni, Warwick, and studied a joint honours degree in Molecular Science/Computer Science. Then did an MBA at the London Business School and then on to Harvard. Not a privileged background, his mother was single when he was born, big issue back in 1948. Doesn't sound thick to me. I might not agree with his politics but calling him thick seems a bit spiteful from Dominic Cummings who had an easier start in life.

I don't necessarily agree with Angela Rayner's politics but you have to admire her guts. Not everyone could stand up in the House of Commons against Dominic Raab or any other politician come to that. I saw her a while ago up against Boris and she did well. I even got the feeling that Boris rather respected her stand. I don't see why she shouldn't say 'quid' instead of 'pound' either. I do that myself and I'm from darn sarf.

I don't know about people voting for candidates with posh accents but when I was about 11 my mother told me she voted Conservative because it made her a better class of person.

I knew nothing about politics but I knew our place in the Class System and just thought, "Well, good luck with that Mum".

I don't know if the phrase had been invented by the early 50's but we were definitely The Undeserving Poor.

JaneJudge

You are not going anywhere MissA <Paddington stare>

Missadventure….another hard stare from me. Do not even think of disappearing ??

MissAdventure

Because I'm a single parent (bad lifestyle choice) who speaks in a way that probably grates on others. (Lack of education, apparently)
I find it offensive, it puts me off using the site, and I'm feeling quite fragile lately.
That's why.
I question why I would want to spend time here.

Miss A, people who use things like accent or educational snobbery to make themselves feel superior have clearly not achieved much in their own right, or they would value achievement instead.

The way we speak, and where we go to school (and to a large extent to university) are decided for us by circumstances beyond our control. How we treat others, on the other hand, is down to our character, and says a lot more about us than superficial things like pronunciation ever will.

I’ve caught up again and I’m still taken with the level of judgement and snobbery.
Lemingrive’s suggestion that Harold Wilson was from Yorkshire , had the accent but must have had the rough edges knocked off him, almost made me lol.
Miss Adventure. Hope you’re feeling a bit brighter today. We could always start a gransnet cafe for those of us who made bad lifestyle choices and have regional accents. We could invite Angela, she’s a grannie now

May I join as I’ve made some bad choices in my life but don’t have a regional accent ?

MissAdventure please stay on GN, your posts are always valid.
It is irrelevant what accent we have it’s what is said that is important.

Iam64

I’ve caught up again and I’m still taken with the level of judgement and snobbery.
Lemingrive’s suggestion that Harold Wilson was from Yorkshire , had the accent but must have had the rough edges knocked off him, almost made me lol.
Miss Adventure. Hope you’re feeling a bit brighter today. We could always start a gransnet cafe for those of us who made bad lifestyle choices and have regional accents. We could invite Angela, she’s a grannie now

Is Lemingrive me Iam64 by any chance?
Harold Wilson was from Huddersfield, therefore from Yorkshire.He was from a middle class family and no doubt by the time he left university had altered his accent somewhat to fit in.He became more ‘Yorkshire’ and man of the people depending on who he was talking to.I remember him well, and once met him briefly at a university ‘do’.

MissA hope you are feeling more upbeat and more like yourself soon.[ flowers]

The subject of Angela Rayner and how she sounds in Parliament has nothing to do with you or any other member of the public.

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boat

I don't know about people voting for candidates with posh accents but when I was about 11 my mother told me she voted Conservative because it made her a better class of person.

I knew nothing about politics but I knew our place in the Class System and just thought, "Well, good luck with that Mum".

I don't know if the phrase had been invented by the early 50's but we were definitely The Undeserving Poor.

boat ?

I smile when I hear people say that they don’t have an accent. We all do. An accent is just a way of speaking that is shred by people from a similar background. It is often regional, if the speakers have been to school in the areas where they grew up, but not necessarily- social factors such as how parents talk are influential too.

Britain being Britain, however - run by people never willing to miss a chance to bring ‘class’ into it - has decided that some accents are higher status than others, but everyone has an accent, whether they admit it or not.

Like I said upthread, it’s not a accent which is problematic it’s what is said.

GrannyGravy13

Like I said upthread, it’s not a accent which is problematic it’s what is said.

Totally agree..