Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

TBH I don't see much difference between criticising Rees Mogg for his very posh accent, BJ for his inability to utter a coherent sentence and AR, who in parliament uses overly informal language (quids, scumbags) to me they all come under the heading of "could do better". As a Brum, I know how a strong Birmingham accent is perceived by some people and there are other accents that are equally prejudicial, so for anyone in the public arena, I'd say tone down the accent and don't use slang otherwise some people will only hear that rather than your message. fwiw in KS2 English, children are taught this!

GrannyGravy13

Like I said upthread, it’s not a accent which is problematic it’s what is said.

Exactly.
Marr is quizzing Starmer on this right now, asking if Rayner is going to apologise for language like that....Starmer is stuck cor something positive to say and says ‘he will be talking to her later’.
This is the woman who says she is ready to run for the top job should it be needed!

Cor? For.

That quote from Rayner is horrific, GG13
I would imagine even staunch Labour supporters were as horrified as the rest of us at that foul mouthed outburst.
How in God’s name did she get where she is ?
Deputy leader of the Labour Party.
No wonder the party is unelectable.

I watched the Andrew Marr interview with Mr.Starmer. Ms.Rayner’s outburst was yesterday at conference.

The ironic thing is in 2019 Ms.Rayner is on record saying MP’s should tone down their language …

GrannyGravy just saw the quote from Rayner , she wants to be leader of the Labour Party !

Anniebach

GrannyGravy just saw the quote from Rayner , she wants to be leader of the Labour Party !

Yep, Labour forever in opposition. With the mistakes the Conservatives are making, Labour could/should be flying high?

Angela Rayner described the Tories as 'a bunch of scum' and is refusing to apologise.
Speaking to Labour activists during a conference reception last night, she said: “We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynist, absolute pile of banana republic Etonian piece of scum.”
This represents 'a normal Stockport woman'?
Most definitely uncouth.

Golly if you think what she said was "foul mouthed" you must have led a sheltered life. The H of C is run on an old boy/old school system of privilege with rules that came out the ark, injecting a bit of normal street language can do nothing but good.
As GBS said "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him" The same is true for women

You may accept ‘normal street language’, trisher I do not ,
it should be left on the streets.

The H of C should represent the streets. That's why it is the H of COMMONS. The streets are full of the common. It's time they were permitted to speak in government.
When Joseph Cowen entered parliament in 1874 he was mocked for his broad Tyneside accent. It's time we moved on.

McCluskey is defended her , will Corbyn give her a hug as he did to the chap who caused Ruth Smeeth to leave a meeting in
tears .

How many more times?
Accent is not choice of language.
If Mrs. Rayner posted that message on Gransnet it would be taken down as 'not in the spirit of Gransnet.'

eazybee

How many more times?
Accent is not choice of language.
If Mrs. Rayner posted that message on Gransnet it would be taken down as 'not in the spirit of Gransnet.'

Totally agree

And she can’t even speak grammatically.
“Youse lot”.
What’s that all about?
Ye gods.

So people don't understand dialect at all "Youse" is a common expression in many Northern dialects.

Very common in my Northern Irish DH too trisher, me, I’m pure ‘ampshire ‘og.

Can't see what's wrong with youse. Maybe it is my Northern Ireland background but you singular youse plural.

GrannyGravy13

Like I said upthread, it’s not a accent which is problematic it’s what is said.

If the cap fits.

When you deliver a speech it should be in the plainest most accessible words possible.
Regional dialects are unknown to many; most of my family came from the north and I never heard it used.
I would consider 'you lot' a rude form of address in a formal speech.

eazybee

When you deliver a speech it should be in the plainest most accessible words possible.
Regional dialects are unknown to many; most of my family came from the north and I never heard it used.
I would consider 'you lot' a rude form of address in a formal speech.

I agree. Leaving out regional dialect and Latin phrases gets my vote. In that way the real message will not be lost in the ensuing discussion about language used.

PS youse is found in the Glasgow dialect.

Instead of saying ‘I agree’ to a post I should say ‘tidy’

The only time I ever heard “yous” used was by our platoon NCO in basic training, who used it constantly. She was from somewhere in the West Midlands I think.
McCluskey has defended her? To use that well known phrase “well, he would, wouldn’t he?”

Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours (299 Posts)

To go back to the original post, she is not, is she?

eazybee

*Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours* (299 Posts)

To go back to the original post, she is not, is she?

No, she is not.

But, and this is a big 'but, I can't help feeling that if exactly the same language had been used by someone (especially a man) with either a 'posh' or an 'educated' accent, the outcry would have been far, far smaller.
I think that deep down, the reaction has more to do with the presentation than the content!