Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

It would be very interesting to know what proportions of Labour were 'remain and 'leave' in 2016- and how many are now- for sure.

That’s what this Labour Party need to do, but they won’t, because they hate Britain and it’s people, for rejecting its wokery and its beloved EU.

The Labour Party hate Britain? That’s a fact is it ?

The Labour Party hate Britain? That’s a fact is it ?

I tried to elucidate Lucca but seem to be failing! I meant to illustrate they hate the British faction who don’t swoon over their claptrap.
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It is hard to tell how far AR’s comments were directed against Conservative MPs in general, the Cabinet, or just Boris. But on a point of fact, JaneJudge, the only Old Etonian member of the Cabinet apart from the PM is Kwasi Kwarteng. Rees-Mogg, a quintessential OE, attends Cabinet meetings but is not a member.

I mention this solely in the interests of accuracy. I should make it clear that I have never voted Conservative, and am not an Old Etonian, though I did work there as a supply teacher for a couple of weeks in 1963.

Kali2

It would be very interesting to know what proportions of Labour were 'remain and 'leave' in 2016- and how many are now- for sure.

It was somewhere in the region of 66% Remain to 33% Leave.

It would appear to be straightforward choice for Labour to promote rejoining the Single Market.

What complicates it is that many if the red wall seats that Labour needs to get back are in over all Leave voting areas.

Does BJ s ill judged comment about letterboxes / nicab/ burka make him a racist? To me this clothing is just an example of female subjugation .Are we racist if we abhor the way the Taliban treats women?

Thank you grumppa I didn’t know how many of the cabinet
went to Eton.

She must have been referring to more than the government.

But , what do I know?

Yes, thank you Grumpa . I thought there were more old Etonians than that

It occurs to me that 'scum' is a label which many posters would not hesitate to attach to someone like a rip off tradesman, a thief, a swindler or similar so long as they are 'lower class'. Yet they object to the same epithet being applied to a government whose corruption, lies and cheating entirely justify its use.

It's forelock tugging deference, isn't it?

It’s not okay to call anybody scum. I never would, would you?

Urmstongran

I probably didn’t express myself well ayse. Sorry. I meant they hate Britain because we don’t subscribe to their wokery (Keir Starmer’s views on who has a cervix for instance: clue .. it’s not just women. Gah!) and the fact that Labour love the EU yet the Referendum five years ago showed most of us don’t!

52% to 48% or thereabouts, I seem to remember in reference to the EU. We spend far too much time devoted to workery etc. and not enough debating general societal issues such as global warming, poverty, health, education….

Government should be there to ensure the well-being of the people. See Thomas Paine for his expose in the 1700s.

There is a deal wrong with both the EU and the governance of this country, now in crisis. I’m so p*s**d off with the continual inability of out government to govern. Sound bites is all they and the media are capable of. Meanwhile we waste out time on social networking complaining!

MaizieD

It occurs to me that 'scum' is a label which many posters would not hesitate to attach to someone like a rip off tradesman, a thief, a swindler or similar so long as they are 'lower class'. Yet they object to the same epithet being applied to a government whose corruption, lies and cheating entirely justify its use.

It's forelock tugging deference, isn't it?

Exactly, MaizieD

MamaCaz

MaizieD

It occurs to me that 'scum' is a label which many posters would not hesitate to attach to someone like a rip off tradesman, a thief, a swindler or similar so long as they are 'lower class'. Yet they object to the same epithet being applied to a government whose corruption, lies and cheating entirely justify its use.

It's forelock tugging deference, isn't it?

Exactly, MaizieD

Absolutely

Urmstongran

*The Labour Party hate Britain? That’s a fact is it ?*

I tried to elucidate Lucca but seem to be failing! I meant to illustrate they hate the British faction who don’t swoon over their claptrap.
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But you said “they hate Britain”. Quite clear.

What claptrap and what “faction” ?

We were at the tip one day and one of the workers there referred to a couple who were tipping things as scum. Apparently this poor couple did house clearances and brought stuff that was no good to the tip.
Husband and I were baffled as to why doing this made the tip workers label them as scum. We thought if they were scum they would be fly tipping and not using the tip.
If they were fly tipping we would call them scum ourselves.
So yes I would use the word scum to refer to some people. Is it a northern word or a working class word or even a word used by the generation who were brought up on Ben Elton and Alexei Sayle comedy?
Personally I call this Government scum on a daily basis if only for the way they voted against helping to feed poor kids in the pandemic.

Meanwhile we waste out time on social networking complaining! not much else we can do ayse really until we go into a ballot box. At least Boris can be voted out at the next GE if that’s what a majority want. Even if it’s slim at 52/48% it would happen!!
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Lucca I will come back to you later. I’m in a dash this morning!

Urmstongran

Rayner’s rant shows that the Labour Party only wants to appeal to its more extreme elements (Momentum) and is not interested in learning from its latest electoral defeat - that it needs to attract much wider public support if it is to get back to power.

Yes I agree with you Urmstongran

She was of course talking down to those she hoped it would appeal too.

I did say off the top of my head

It's not difficult to find more information just via google

"Boris Johnson has a long record of controversial comments about women, gay people and ethnic minorities.
He has called gay men "bumboys," and compared Muslim women to "letterboxes."
In one column he labeled black Africans "piccaninnies" with "watermelon smiles."
He suggested that Malaysian women only go to university "to find men to marry.""

He is lovely isn't he?

JaneJudge He is lovely isn't he?

Ah but he speaks so nicely, that's what's important. Isn't it?

Labour is now officially the new nasty party, well done Angela Rayner.

Petera

JaneJudge He is lovely isn't he?

Ah but he speaks so nicely, that's what's important. Isn't it?

Yes he had said some things that are not acceptable, but I don’t think the Conservative party or the PM ever inferred that people who voted Labour are scum. It is not a word of endearment as backtracking Rayner has said, it’s a term of derision and contempt. If Labour want to win lost voters back, the gutter mouth of Rayner will not be the way to do it.

Corbyn said she has no reason to apologise , Angela uses her own words, she speaks from the heart !

Casdon

It’s not okay to call anybody scum. I never would, would you?

No, I certainly wouldn’t, but it seems that quite a few would and do, on these pages, as they appear to think it’s quite alright even for MP’s to use it publicly.

I really don't think that most of the objectors to Rayner's description would ever vote labour so their views can be discounted, can't they.

OTOH, the 5+ million people about to lose £20 pw, the people whose businesses have gone under thanks to Brexit, the people in the hospitality, food production and road haulage industries who have been begging for relaxation of visa restrictions; the people in the Arts sector who have been begging for action on the restraints now placed on their ability to work in the EU (and who know all too well that an accommodation was offered by the EU and refused during negotiations); the teachers and parents who are worried sick that government failure to fund or mandate anti covid mitigations in schools is leading to increased infection of young children with the attendant danger of long term harm to them; the 3 million self employed who received no financial help at all when covid restrictions severely affected their business and incomes; the 'ordinary'citizens who are aghast at the level of blatant cronyism and corruption evident in the awarding of covid contracts, the ordinary citizens who are sickened by a Prime Minister who lies, disregards the rule of law, fails to implement the Ministerial Code and is a 'benefit scrounger' par excellence, are likely to be more than comfortable with the word 'scum' being used to describe the tory government...

(The list is by no means exhaustive, I just got bored typing it with one finger on my tablet)