Labour party conference, is no-one else interested?

If you have a system whereby an organisation -Great British Railways is answerable to the Secretary of State who also appoints the senior management. If the grants and fares are paid into that organisation Isn't it effectively nationalised? If the running of the trains is then put out to private companies does that mean the system is privatised?

The Guardian said the system would still be substantially privatised, I guess they know what they are talking about.
www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/19/uk-rail-overhaul-privatised-great-british-railways-

So much common sense on here! If you look at the GE results from the 80's to now, it's pretty obvious that a left wing LP won't get elected. The UK is a very different society, it's centerist, post industrial (not in the Marxist sense!) union membership is low and we just don't fall into the social classes that we used to. I watched the video with Paul Mason in (that someone posted). Honestly, he represents everything that I dislike about the left wing, so very patronising talking about the working class as if they are a species! There's millions of people in this country who want a fair and just country, we don't all wear flat caps and clogs, some of us are quite well off, some are doing OK, some need a bit of a leg up at times and some are really very poor! There's absolutely no reason why we can't all want the same for our country but what we won't vote for is a party that tears itself apart.

Agree foxie48

Yes, agree too, thanks foxie.

All we need then is a LP leader who keeps the promises he made when he stood for election keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/
Please note No.5 -Common Ownership.

How about just giving him a chance…..

Kier’s pledges -a good start.
No.2 Abolish Universal Credit-great idea. I know and work with people who say they can live on UC and others who struggle to survive on it. He doesn’t say how he would replace it and how the replacement would be funded.

No.4 Human rights-which humans?
The LP has already dismissed Female rights in one speech or another.

Anniebach

Agree foxie48

I don't want to upset you Annie, but you are one of the ones who does it.

trisher

All we need then is a LP leader who keeps the promises he made when he stood for election keirstarmer.com/plans/10-pledges/
Please note No.5 -Common Ownership.

As are you trisher.

I think you two should have a thread of your own.

Mollygo

Kier’s pledges -a good start.
No.2 Abolish Universal Credit-great idea. I know and work with people who say they can live on UC and others who struggle to survive on it. He doesn’t say how he would replace it and how the replacement would be funded.

No.4 Human rights-which humans?
The LP has already dismissed Female rights in one speech or another.

How about having the decency to spell his name right….

The People's Assembly

These groups are a good thing change comes from people getting together talking about important issues and wanting change.

Corbyn calls for a more democratic media, at event opposing Tory conference in Manchester

Bin the billionaires: Save the media

Following the interview Corbyn and Younge were joined on stage for the “Bin the billionaires: Save the media” panel discussion by, Emma Jones from Hacked Off, actress Maxine Peake, and We Own It’s Johnbosco Nwogbo.

themeteor.org/2021/10/06/corbyn-calls-for-a-more-democratic-media-at-event-opposing-tory-conference-in-manchester/?fbclid=IwAR228xTk1RcuGDxhFI-ujRYuqENvyaGLPMY9MT8KLqv9h57tQpF7vXGtXiU

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Tory supporters come on GN and say either Boris is the best thing since sliced bread, or that he's doing his best, or that they don't really think that Boris is the best PM but they're still Tories.

Labour supporters come on here to rip each other to shreds, blame their current leader for things they want him to say but he has not said, or complain about the former leader's behaviour 30 years ago.

Tories are in power and are re-making this country in their desired image, Labour isn't.

I'll just leave that there.

Alegrias1

Tory supporters come on GN and say either Boris is the best thing since sliced bread, or that he's doing his best, or that they don't really think that Boris is the best PM but they're still Tories.

Labour supporters come on here to rip each other to shreds, blame their current leader for things they want him to say but he has not said, or complain about the former leader's behaviour 30 years ago.

Tories are in power and are re-making this country in their desired image, Labour isn't.

I'll just leave that there.

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Ignoring PippaZ
For all those who are posting about how anyone left wing has to shut up and support Starmer can I ask where you were when Corbyn was leader? What happened to supporting the leader then????
And before you rush in and tell me that there would never have been enough support for him anyway, you have absolutely no proof of that. You have a Tory government because you allowed the party then to split and turn on its leader. Now apparently if we criticise Starmer we are being disruptive.
What I actually see is a bunch of left leaning people who think they are somehow superior because they claim to be centrist. The LP shifted massively to the right when Blair was in charge. It never re-established itself. It could do so now if Starmer was brave enough. I don't think he is. The alternative therefore is a party which edges further and further right. Droppng the policies which would change people's lives as it does so.
And I very much question the motives and morals of a man prepared to sign up to 10 promises and to dump several of them within a couple of years. He needed the left to become leader, but he thinks he can manage without them now. So until he indicates that he will keep those promises I will keep criticising.
Party Unity!!!! You make me laugh!

And on it goes...

1975 election Michael Foot tory win

1997 election Tony Blair Labour win

2010 election David Cameron tory win

2015 election tory win

2019 election tory win

trisher

Ignoring PippaZ
For all those who are posting about how anyone left wing has to shut up and support Starmer can I ask where you were when Corbyn was leader? What happened to supporting the leader then????
And before you rush in and tell me that there would never have been enough support for him anyway, you have absolutely no proof of that. You have a Tory government because you allowed the party then to split and turn on its leader. Now apparently if we criticise Starmer we are being disruptive.
What I actually see is a bunch of left leaning people who think they are somehow superior because they claim to be centrist. The LP shifted massively to the right when Blair was in charge. It never re-established itself. It could do so now if Starmer was brave enough. I don't think he is. The alternative therefore is a party which edges further and further right. Droppng the policies which would change people's lives as it does so.
And I very much question the motives and morals of a man prepared to sign up to 10 promises and to dump several of them within a couple of years. He needed the left to become leader, but he thinks he can manage without them now. So until he indicates that he will keep those promises I will keep criticising.
Party Unity!!!! You make me laugh!

But I actually voted for Corbyn because I have always voted Labour and always will. I assume that, if there was an election tomorrow you wouldn’t vote for a Labour Party led by Keir Starmer even if it meant more years of this vile useless Tory government? Why can’t you hate them more than you hate Keir?

you wouldn’t vote for a Labour Party led by Keir Starmer even if it meant more years of this vile useless Tory government?

Good point MayBee.

Soooo sorry about the spelling error MayBee70.

Have I actually said I wouldn't vote for the Labour Party? Isn't it funny how those who were slagging Corbyn off now come back with the pathetic excuse that they voted Labour anyway. If you are accusing me of turning people against Labour didn't the same happen under Corbyn? Why was it OK then but not now?
You missed out 2017 on your GE results Annie I wonder why?

I didn’t vote Labour under Corbyn in 2019, although I did in 2017 with misgivings. I’ve said that on here before. I was one of the millions who turned away. What I didn’t do was snipe and criticise. He wasn’t for me, I didn’t trust him so I voted for somebody else and kept my mouth shut because it appeared that he had significant support, which of course then dwindled.

I think you misunderstand completely trisher - those of us who are left of centre rather than as left as you are want a Labour Government in power, one that delivers socialist plans in line with what the people of Britain want - not one that delivers what some party members want

Well I have asked before and never got an answer (I don't expect to get one now) but what do you see as the unacceptable far left policies I am supposedly in favour of? In other words what would you agree to ditch to get a Labour government. I am abolutely clear about what I want to see. I've posted it many times. What don't you agree with?
Here goes again- Proper funding and an end to privatisation in the NHS.
A programme of social house building that provides accommodation for the most needy and more regulation of the private sector for rents and landlords.
Utilities, rail and bus services brought into public ownership and run on a not-for profit basis.
The end of zero hours contracts
A proper living wage (£15 per hour)
The establishment of proper funding for the unemployed, long term sick and disabled which is not discriminatory.
That'll do for now. So come on what would you dump?

You did get an answer from me trisher. Remember, it’s not the policies themselves. I’ll have a look for the thread if you’re interested.
What I’d dump is intransigence and a failure to recognise that the way you go about getting support, the constantly going on about hobby horses, loose cannon leadership, trust etc. All contribute.