Labour party conference, is no-one else interested?

I see no future for the labour party especially with the current shadow cabinet. Kier starmer doesn't fill me with any confidence, Angela rayner is an embarrassment to the north
common as muck , as for the rest of the shadow cabinet is lack lustre no rising stars in it

I disagree. I think there's more talent in the shadow cabinet and on the Labour backbenches than in the Conservative Party.

I think Angela Rayner has done much in her life to be admired.

I don't see her as an embarrassment to the north.

katy1950

I see no future for the labour party especially with the current shadow cabinet. Kier starmer doesn't fill me with any confidence, Angela rayner is an embarrassment to the north
common as muck , as for the rest of the shadow cabinet is lack lustre no rising stars in it

Rising stars? Don’t we want a shadow cabinet/cabinet full of experienced politicians? It’s the governing of this country, not IACGMOOH Angela Raynor is a force of nature. imo

I read the Guardian and the Times. Today the Times didn't mention the Labour Party conference until p16. My hope is that overlord Murdoch is actually quite scared of a Starmer-led party. He can see KS has integrity (his speech was moving as well as having serious policies on green issues and private schools) and perhaps is frightened that change will affect him.

In answer to your question Maybee I must admit I have limited experience of a labour government I have been eligible to vote for 43 years and Labour has only been in power for around 8 of those years
I do not wish to live in a nanny state and I prefer the Conservative ethos.
The economy in my opinion has been better under a Conservative government and will prosper despite Brexit
In the last election there was no way I would vote for Corbyn the man was a total liability who couldn't take a firm stand on Brexit which was his downfall

13 years.

Blair had 10 on his own.

It’s such a long time ago that everyone’s forgotten!?

I did have to google it

growstuff

I disagree. I think there's more talent in the shadow cabinet and on the Labour backbenches than in the Conservative Party.

I quite agree growstuff.

katy1950

I see no future for the labour party especially with the current shadow cabinet. Kier starmer doesn't fill me with any confidence, Angela rayner is an embarrassment to the north
common as muck , as for the rest of the shadow cabinet is lack lustre no rising stars in it

If she is as "common as muck" how should we view you?

Alegrias1

I did have to google it

I then had to go back and look I was mistaken in thinking Labour was from 1997 to 2005

rosie time runs away from us doesn’t it??

Yes, I’m interested, both in the conference and this discussion, but I don’t want to post here yet. I need to mull things over. I do feel a little more hopeful though.

I’m from the North, living in the North and Angela Rayner hasn’t embarrassed me so far. I’m probably common as muck, and where there’s muck there’s brass.

I do not wish to live in a nanny state

I've always been a bit puzzled as to what a 'nanny state' is, rosie1959

Would you care to explain what you mean?

MaizieD

^I do not wish to live in a nanny state ^

I've always been a bit puzzled as to what a 'nanny state' is, rosie1959

Would you care to explain what you mean?

Nanny state - a government or its policies are overprotective or interference with personal choice

So we live in a country where young footballers are responsible for children being fed and Jo Wiley has to stop disabled people being allowed to die in care homes so people aren’t ‘nannie’d’ in any way…..?

rosie1959

MaizieD

I do not wish to live in a nanny state

I've always been a bit puzzled as to what a 'nanny state' is, rosie1959

Would you care to explain what you mean?

Nanny state - a government or its policies are overprotective or interference with personal choice

No, that doesn't really help. Can you give me some examples?

Anniebach

Burnham stood for the leadership in 2015, he lost to Corbyn

At the time of the leadership election I quite liked Andy Burnham until I heard him speaking about the workers. He only mentioned those employed by the State such as dinner ladies, dustbin men and so on but no mention of those employed in the private sector. My niece used to work for one of the hairdressing franchises and had some appalling stories to tell about the treatment of the staff and the treatment of staff in the stores, particularly those in the shopping malls where the shops are open until late. Sadly a large number of employees in the private sector are not in unions.

I thought Liz Kendall had a cheek standing for the leadership when she'd only been an MP for 5 years and didn't think that Yvette Cooper came over very well. Whereas I thought that Corbyn spoke sincerely. I am someone who joined when Corby was due to face another vote. I thought when he was making speeches to small groups he was often inspiring. Sadly I realised that he didn't live up to my expectations for a number of reasons.

So, by Zoejory by your standards I must be an idiot as well as wanting to see Labour fail dramatically. Thank you for those kind words!

Maybee you asked why I vote Conservative and I replied
No footballers should not be responsible for children being fed that is their parents responsibility
I do not know much about Jo Wiley and disabled people so cannot comment I will read up later

rosie1959

In answer to your question Maybee I must admit I have limited experience of a labour government I have been eligible to vote for 43 years and Labour has only been in power for around 8 of those years
I do not wish to live in a nanny state and I prefer the Conservative ethos.
The economy in my opinion has been better under a Conservative government and will prosper despite Brexit
In the last election there was no way I would vote for Corbyn the man was a total liability who couldn't take a firm stand on Brexit which was his downfall

I prefer the Conservative ethos.

Do you realise that ethos is the Greek word for "character"? So let's look at the character you want to follow.

*Shambolic
*Scruffy in his dress
*careless in public and private life
*finding it impossible to govern by bluster
*prone to crises
*quite happy with cronyvirus
*surrounded by sleaze
*an entrenched belief that there is one rule for him and to hell with everyone else.

So, as the Conservatives voted him leader, we can assume he is the very epitome of their "ethos".

If, on the other hand, you meant you think the economy has been better under the Conservative ideology, then do feel free to explain that for us.

Jo Wileys disabled sister wasn’t going to be given a covid vaccination because the government decided that such people shouldn’t have one. Oh and today we have a deputy prime minister saying that we should just train up low level offenders and asylum seekers to drive lorries and that would solve the problem. Just like that. They are clueless.

Nanny state = caring state. imo

You forgot treats his children poorly. I know it's hard not to forget something, the list is long.