Labour party conference, is no-one else interested?

MayBee70

Can those of you that dislike Starmer explain to me the scenario that you want to play out? Eg do you want Corbyn reinstated as leader? Do you want someone else as leader? If so how are you going to achieve that? And how will you do it in time to not lose yet another election? Who is that perfect leader? Long Bailey? McDonnell?And can you honestly say that you would rather the country continue to be run by the most incompetent government in my lifetime than a Labour government that isn’t exactly what you want it to be. Because all the people suffering at the hands of the Tories will suffer far less under a Labour government led by Keir Starmer. Isn’t that better than what we have now?

From a none members point of view MayBee I don't see it as my choice who leads the Labour Party. I just listen to what parties say they are going to do.

The Mayors were there yesterday weren't they.

Starmer has been in an untenable position from day one. He vowed to rid the party of antisemitism but many on the left were guilty of just that including Corbyn.

I wouldn’t say I dislike Starmer but probably totally irrelevant as I can’t see the day I vote Labour. I might be swayed in the future but certainly not at the moment

I would love to see the Labour Party get rid of the hard left so even if I couldn't vote for them they would be brilliant at holding the Conservatives to account. Whilst I am sympathetic to the hard left wanting a fairer world, I don't believe that throwing money at everything is the way forward. When the SLDP were formed, I had really high hopes that I would have a party to vote for who were more akin to my wishes for a Government but I am afraid that the LibDems have so many things I find difficult to support so I can't vote for them.

I think Starmer is a weasel, he just evades questions like when asked about Angela Rayner's use of language just said he wouldn't use that language himself, - he should either say she's wrong or stand up for her!! as for his comments on trans women - just the same old blah blah I think the labour party have some good people but I don;t think much of him or Rayner

MayBee70

So you’d rather continue with the current government?

If you’re asking me, then no I wouldn’t!
I don’t want any of them.
I don’t trust BJ, not because of Covid-it was a new situation and there’s no evidence anyone else would have done better forming policies that large numbers of Brits weren’t prepared to follow, I just don’t trust him.
Labour has so much infighting that I can’t be certain what I’m voting for.
LibDem, Labour and Green are too scared or too stupid to stand up for women’s rights. If they are too timid to do that, what else will they be afraid to do.
Whoever gets in other than Tories will claim they can’t implement their manifesto because of the last government.
I’d vote for Andy Burnham if he could set up his own party.

I don’t try trust Andy Burnham as far as I can throw him. I think he regrets now not being an MP because I’m sure he wants to be leader. The infighting is blown out of all proportion imo. There is just as much infighting in the Tories but they’re sensible enough to keep it behind closed doors.

rosie1959

I wouldn’t say I dislike Starmer but probably totally irrelevant as I can’t see the day I vote Labour. I might be swayed in the future but certainly not at the moment

So what is it about the Conservative that makes you continue to be loyal to them? The way they deal with law and order? The way their leaders set such a good example to the country? Their honest and integrity? The respect they have on the world stage?

I just think it is hilarious (or it would be if it wasn't such rubbish) that even as they are calling people hard-left who advocated the renationalisaton of the railways yet another rail company has gone bust and energy companies are asking for government grants to take over the customers of the ones that have gone bust. This concept that it is OK to put public money into failing businesses to bail out shareholders, who should surely be paying the cost after all they reap the benefit when the business make profits, but not OK to nationalise anything is ludicrous. Effectively the taxpayer is paying anyway. But what do I know? I'm a die hard leftie who believes no one should make huge profits from providing anyone with the basic necessities like fuel and water. It's a pity Starmer can't use the absolute mess to point out these anomalies. I think the problem with him is he is probably very good hearted but he is swayed very easily.

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Starmer

My dad was a toolmaker. Although in a way, so was Boris Johnson's."

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Starmer

My dad was a toolmaker. Although in a way, so was Boris Johnson's."

Can you imagine the outcry if a woman MP had said this!

I don’t think Starmer is easily swayed. Just because he’s quietly spoken doesn’t mean he’s some sort of pushover.

Labour may well continue mastering the art of losing Elections, indeed I'm sure they will, but the bigger losers are the British people.

Good government needs strong opposition and sadly we've got the opposite.

trisher

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Starmer

My dad was a toolmaker. Although in a way, so was Boris Johnson's."

Can you imagine the outcry if a woman MP had said this!

How do you interpret what Starmer said?

I support SKR wholeheartedly as I place a lot of hope for him to take the country back to a more honest government with integrity. He is sincere in wishing to level up.

even as they are calling people hard-left who advocated the renationalisaton of the railways yet another rail company has gone bust and energy companies are asking for government grants to take over the customers of the ones that have gone bust.

This is why I think that the Labour party should not be calling for nationalisation left right and centre. All that happens is that the predominantly right wing press uses it as a stick to beat them with.

I think it does confirm my theory that the electorate really doesn't mind what a government does in power, so long as it doesn't disadvantage them.

To get into power Labour has to not frighten the electorate or offer up any sticks to the right wing press. Once they're in power they can do more or less as they please.

It's ironic that nationalisation is actually quite popular with the electorate, as is funding the NHS properly, but they won't back it because it's portrayed to them as being profligate with 'taxpayers money'.

I'm glad that Starmer defended the last Labour government's achievements. It's about time that Labour stopped cowering behind the (utterly nonsensical) accusation that they bankrupted the country.

The corollary of your last sentence, Urmston, is that you don't think we have good government at the moment. ? I quite agree, although I wouldn't give the same reason.

Peak Tory.

Its the Labour Party's fault that the country's in the state we're in, even though the Tories have been in power 11 years.

I’ve said for a long time that Labour under Corbyn were weak in opposition. Wasn’t helped by the fact that he surrounded himself with Corbynites that were inexperienced because he didn’t want people around him that he found challenging. Throughout his political career he voted against many things his party voted for. And, in many cases is was honourable if him. But the minute he became leader he didn’t want anyone opposing him. A good government needs a good, strong opposition. I’m not sure how things are now but in the past MP’s from all parties we’re friends with and respected their counterparts. Even Tony Benn told me once that he and Thatcher had a mutual respect for each other. I don’t think anyone, even people in his own party, respect Johnson.However we have a situation now where the decent, honourable Conservatives have been, in the main, thrown out. I do think that we now have a good, strong opposition party full of experienced, honourable people. And I also think the news media are beginning to take them seriously, too.

Liam Byrne, chief secretary to the Treasury under Gordon Brown, left a note for his successor that proved to be a gift for the Conservatives!

Urmstongran

Labour may well continue mastering the art of losing Elections, indeed I'm sure they will, but the bigger losers are the British people.

Good government needs strong opposition and sadly we've got the opposite.

Jesus wept!

What did all you lot complain about when Starmer was pointing out all the dreadful mistakes Johnson was making in handling the pandemic?

"Oooh, why does he keep on criticising our Beloved Leader, he should be supporting him"

Do stop twisting on about 'strong opposition'. You don't like it when anyone opposes anything...

Urmstongran

Liam Byrne, chief secretary to the Treasury under Gordon Brown, left a note for his successor that proved to be a gift for the Conservatives!

QED, trisher

It wasn't true, it was meant as a joke ( other Ministers have done similar in the past) and if Brown and Darling hadn't acted promptly to authorise Quantitative Easing no-one would have had any money left, it would have all evaporated from your bank accounts...

But go on believing rubbish Ug

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trisher

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Starmer

My dad was a toolmaker. Although in a way, so was Boris Johnson's."

Can you imagine the outcry if a woman MP had said this!

How do you interpret what Starmer said?

I was wondering what he meant and then the penny dropped (I was being a bit slow).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I assume what Starmer meant was that Johnson's father was responsible for producing him (a tool).

I looked up the slang definition of tool:

"A guy with a hugely over-inflated ego, who in an attempt to get un-due attention for himself, will act like a jackass, because, in his deluded state, he will think it's going to make him look cool, or make others want to be like him. The person may even insincerely apologize later on, but only in an attempt to get more attention, or to excuse his blatantly intentional, and unrepentantly tool-ish behavior."

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tool

Sounds about right - or have I got it wrong?

And actually I think Johnsons behaviour is a result of his childhood, there was no chance he was going to be a functioning adult.

growstuff

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trisher

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????? love this

Starmer

My dad was a toolmaker. Although in a way, so was Boris Johnson's."

Can you imagine the outcry if a woman MP had said this!

How do you interpret what Starmer said?

I was wondering what he meant and then the penny dropped (I was being a bit slow).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I assume what Starmer meant was that Johnson's father was responsible for producing him (a tool).

I looked up the slang definition of tool:

"A guy with a hugely over-inflated ego, who in an attempt to get un-due attention for himself, will act like a jackass, because, in his deluded state, he will think it's going to make him look cool, or make others want to be like him. The person may even insincerely apologize later on, but only in an attempt to get more attention, or to excuse his blatantly intentional, and unrepentantly tool-ish behavior."

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tool

Sounds about right - or have I got it wrong?

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