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Is Johnson a "bad-luck" politician/Prime Minister?

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PippaZ Thu 30-Sept-21 10:04:11

It's something I have begun to wonder about. I know someone will explain that we make our own luck but that might be more worrying because it is spilling onto the electorate.

Have we had "lucky" and "unlucky" PMs or is it just an outcome of how they prepare and cover all possibilities?

Scones Tue 05-Oct-21 17:29:52

vegansrock

Who goes for a run in a white office shirt and office type shoes?

I'd assumed that someone's husband had come home early and Boris was doing a runner having dropped from an upstairs window.

rosie1959 Tue 05-Oct-21 17:32:58

Scones could be like my husband left to do his own packing lots would be missed

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 17:34:58

I think that’s athleticism on an unknown Johnson scale Scones but I think he may like that idea of yours ( should he ever read anything on Gransnet.)

Scones Tue 05-Oct-21 17:37:09

smile

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 17:39:19

Ah, Ghosts! ?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:47:16

One thing he is bad luck for are the pigs now being destroyed.

Allsorts Tue 05-Oct-21 18:50:43

What was unlucky was Covid. What a thing to take on.

MayBee70 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:54:15

Allsorts

What was unlucky was Covid. What a thing to take on.

It would have helped if he’d taken the pandemic seriously in early 2020 and attended COBRA meetings,but he was busy with other things at the time.

MayBee70 Tue 05-Oct-21 19:27:51

Just listened to Johnson being interviewed on Ch4 News. Had no answer to the problems (what problems). Constantly interrupted and talked over the interviewer.

JaneJudge Tue 05-Oct-21 19:30:22

I honestly think he must smell. His hair looked awful, why doesn't he have it cut properly?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 19:33:12

This is an aside but very worrying I think.

Javid - the Health Secretary - in his speech said that the state should not be responsible for providing health and social care. Individuals should look first to their own resources before then turning to the family and community and finally the state.

Blimey!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 19:34:46

JaneJudge

I honestly think he must smell. His hair looked awful, why doesn't he have it cut properly?

I would imagine his personal cleanliness is a bit hit and miss ?

JaneJudge Tue 05-Oct-21 19:35:58

Whitewavemark2

This is an aside but very worrying I think.

Javid - the Health Secretary - in his speech said that the state should not be responsible for providing health and social care. Individuals should look first to their own resources before then turning to the family and community and finally the state.

Blimey!

shock shock

M0nica Tue 05-Oct-21 19:36:30

WWM2 I heard him say that and the alarm bills started to ring.

COVID was a worldwide event every country and every government and Prime Minster was effected. In some things, we did better than most, but generally our response was a shambles of contradictory advice, being told one thing was happening and then having it changed at the last minute. COVID is a very thin thread to have any reliance on.

ayse Tue 05-Oct-21 19:38:26

JaneJudge

Whitewavemark2

This is an aside but very worrying I think.

Javid - the Health Secretary - in his speech said that the state should not be responsible for providing health and social care. Individuals should look first to their own resources before then turning to the family and community and finally the state.

Blimey!

shock shock

They are intent on sending us back to the 1930s. I think they are just evil

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 20:37:45

Evil and they smell?....honestly you have to laugh sometimes on GN.

vegansrock Tue 05-Oct-21 20:49:27

Don’t look for help folks - sort it out yourself, well that’s the way the health service is going at the moment. If you can afford to go private, do so. There’s a bloody long wait if you can’t afford it. You want a two tier service? Well that’s what you’ve got. Want to be ruled by eccentrics? Of course it’s such fun.

Scones Tue 05-Oct-21 20:58:50

This seems at odds with what Javid said in his interview with the he Guardian today.

"Asked if he would encourage patients to resort to using private healthcare to expedite their treatment, Javid said: “No. That’s always a choice for people that can afford it, and that’s up to them. But it’s not certainly something I would be recommending to anyone.”

He added: “I don’t want a situation where too many more people just stop [using the health service] … because I want them to use the NHS. The NHS can manage it.”

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 21:00:43

The trouble is at out age, health wise we tend to come with baggage - in my case cancer and DH heart which will never be covered by health insurance.

Still if they didn’t get us with covid - they tried hard enough, they are more hopeful we will die waiting for treatment.

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 21:00:52

We can all take some responsibility for our own health though,
Exercise, eating properly, not too much alcohol and not smoking for starters.
There has always been a two tier system if you have enough money, who wouldn’t pay for an operation or consultation ( if they can) and it will be done more quickly than on the NHS.
Many people do turn to family before asking the State as well.
We all know that due to Covid there will be a backlog of cases,
And while we can’t always ‘help ourselves’ a lot of the time we can and it makes sense to do that.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Oct-21 21:06:22

Scones

This seems at odds with what Javid said in his interview with the he Guardian today.

"Asked if he would encourage patients to resort to using private healthcare to expedite their treatment, Javid said: “No. That’s always a choice for people that can afford it, and that’s up to them. But it’s not certainly something I would be recommending to anyone.”

He added: “I don’t want a situation where too many more people just stop [using the health service] … because I want them to use the NHS. The NHS can manage it.”

The trouble is that we are constantly getting mixed messages and you can never be sure exactly what they intend.

It has been a characteristic of this government since 2019. I suspect probably because no one has any real clue in the government what Johnson has planned. (I doubt that he does either)

M0nica Tue 05-Oct-21 21:06:36

Lemongrove Not so easy when you are working long hours in two jobs to try and keep a roof over head and food in your family's stomachs. With the best will in the world eating well and taking regular exercise somewhere away from the polluted air of our cities is beyond the best endeavours of many families.

JaneJudge Tue 05-Oct-21 21:14:12

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lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 21:17:33

True Monica but Javid was presumably addressing his comments to all of us.Those who are able to take care of ourselves and are able to and who do not all live in cities.

lemongrove Tue 05-Oct-21 21:18:18

Jane that is a really offensive remark!